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My assumption is that Firefox will be implementing the standard, but not the restrictions. Am I wrong there?

by pkulak 5y ago

amelius 5y ago
Firefox also implemented DRM.
- pkulak 5y ago
  I needed them to do that so I could watch Netflix. Debate it all you want, but it made my life measurably better and I'm glad they did it. This would only negatively effect me (and everyone else).
  - danuker 5y ago
    How is your life measurably better, by comparing it with other people's fake and perfect and amazing lives (in Netflix videos)?
    - Spivak 5y ago
      Because some people don’t find digital DVD rentals to be an affront to their freedom and just want to watch Squidgame?
    - handrous 5y ago
      > other people's fake and perfect and amazing lives Uh, if that's what we're supposed to be using movie and TV streaming services for, I've been watching precisely the wrong things. Seems more like a description of social media & (not unrelatedly) advertising. Or maybe porn.
    - contravariant 5y ago
      You can tell this argument is flawed because it applies to all forms of video.
      - danuker 5y ago
        It does apply to all forms of video. But that does not make it flawed. What makes it flawed is the cultural norm of watching video.
    - tomjen3 5y ago
      That would be Insta, not Netflix where you are watching interesting/awesome stories.
- ok_dad 5y ago
  DRM doesn't limit anything for the user except for some video content. The day DRM prevents doing things to requests and such, like Manifext v3 does, then I will care. Right now, I'm happy to be able to watch One Punch Man on my laptop.
prox 5y ago
I really hope so. Any good sources to find out Mozilla’s stance?
- mirashii 5y ago
  https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-update/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-updat... > We will support blocking webRequest until there’s a better solution which covers all use cases we consider important, since DNR as currently implemented by Chrome does not yet meet the needs of extension developers.
  - tentacleuno 5y ago
    It would certainly be interesting they implemented blocking webRequest (just to keep compatibility with Chrome) and then added a Firefox-specific API for blocking web requests.
kreetx 5y ago
I'd guess even if Firefox did keep extensions unrestricted then slowly they would die away - given how much smaller the user base will be. We need some new power to emerge in this space.
- danuker 5y ago
  I believe they would gain users from Chrome, where you won't be able to block ads anymore.
  - dariusj18 5y ago
    I would certainly stop using Chrome
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      Just do it today :-) I often have a month or more long streak between every time I have to use Ch#%!e ;-) Bonus point for devs: If it works in Firefox it usually works everywhere since Firefox had always been reasonably standard compliant.
      - ddingus 5y ago
        Right. I really need to finish my move off chrome. I get started, and then... Thanks for saying this.
- bee_rider 5y ago
  If Firefox keeps full extension capability, as a superset of Chrome's gimped implementation, then extension developers can decide how they want to handle the incompatibility. I don't really get how the extension ecosystem works anyway -- extension developers are usually just sharing something they use to be helpful/make a point, and then some tack on donations thing, right? Since nobody is doing this to get rich I suspect they won't chase marketshare.
- NewEntryHN 5y ago
  There is surely a bias between users of extensions of uBlock Origin and users of Firefox. The userbase is still smaller, but maybe not enough to completely throw away development.
mkl 5y ago
You are pretty much right. There's no need for assumptions though, see https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-update/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-updat... and https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/09/03/mozillas-manifest-v3-faq/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/09/03/mozillas-manifest....
- iggldiggl 5y ago
  There are some rumblings as to whether background pages will or will not be removed in Firefox, too, though…

My assumption is that Firefox will be implementing the standard, but not the restrictions. Am I wrong there?

by pkulak 5y ago

My assumption is that Firefox will be implementing the standard, but not the restrictions. Am I wrong there?

amelius 5y ago

Firefox also implemented DRM.

pkulak 5y ago
I needed them to do that so I could watch Netflix. Debate it all you want, but it made my life measurably better and I'm glad they did it. This would only negatively effect me (and everyone else).
- danuker 5y ago
  How is your life measurably better, by comparing it with other people's fake and perfect and amazing lives (in Netflix videos)?
  - Spivak 5y ago
    Because some people don’t find digital DVD rentals to be an affront to their freedom and just want to watch Squidgame?
  - handrous 5y ago
    > other people's fake and perfect and amazing lives Uh, if that's what we're supposed to be using movie and TV streaming services for, I've been watching precisely the wrong things. Seems more like a description of social media & (not unrelatedly) advertising. Or maybe porn.
  - contravariant 5y ago
    You can tell this argument is flawed because it applies to all forms of video.
    - danuker 5y ago
      It does apply to all forms of video. But that does not make it flawed. What makes it flawed is the cultural norm of watching video.
  - tomjen3 5y ago
    That would be Insta, not Netflix where you are watching interesting/awesome stories.
ok_dad 5y ago
DRM doesn't limit anything for the user except for some video content. The day DRM prevents doing things to requests and such, like Manifext v3 does, then I will care. Right now, I'm happy to be able to watch One Punch Man on my laptop.

prox 5y ago

I really hope so. Any good sources to find out Mozilla’s stance?

mirashii 5y ago
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-update/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-updat... > We will support blocking webRequest until there’s a better solution which covers all use cases we consider important, since DNR as currently implemented by Chrome does not yet meet the needs of extension developers.
- tentacleuno 5y ago
  It would certainly be interesting they implemented blocking webRequest (just to keep compatibility with Chrome) and then added a Firefox-specific API for blocking web requests.

kreetx 5y ago

I'd guess even if Firefox did keep extensions unrestricted then slowly they would die away - given how much smaller the user base will be. We need some new power to emerge in this space.

danuker 5y ago
I believe they would gain users from Chrome, where you won't be able to block ads anymore.
- dariusj18 5y ago
  I would certainly stop using Chrome
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    Just do it today :-) I often have a month or more long streak between every time I have to use Ch#%!e ;-) Bonus point for devs: If it works in Firefox it usually works everywhere since Firefox had always been reasonably standard compliant.
    - ddingus 5y ago
      Right. I really need to finish my move off chrome. I get started, and then... Thanks for saying this.
bee_rider 5y ago
If Firefox keeps full extension capability, as a superset of Chrome's gimped implementation, then extension developers can decide how they want to handle the incompatibility. I don't really get how the extension ecosystem works anyway -- extension developers are usually just sharing something they use to be helpful/make a point, and then some tack on donations thing, right? Since nobody is doing this to get rich I suspect they won't chase marketshare.
NewEntryHN 5y ago
There is surely a bias between users of extensions of uBlock Origin and users of Firefox. The userbase is still smaller, but maybe not enough to completely throw away development.

mkl 5y ago

You are pretty much right. There's no need for assumptions though, see https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-update/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-updat... and https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/09/03/mozillas-manifest-v3-faq/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/09/03/mozillas-manifest....

iggldiggl 5y ago
There are some rumblings as to whether background pages will or will not be removed in Firefox, too, though…