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Met Museum Removes Sackler Name from Wing over Opioid Ties

29 points by jbegley 5y ago

1123581321 5y ago
“Wing donated by anonymous? Now it looks like I donated mine just for the credit, unlike Mr. Wonderful Anonymous.” -Larry David
melony 5y ago
Future donations need to come with anti-deplatfoming clauses.
- EdwardDiego 5y ago
  Is it deplatforming when you've committed egregious crimes?
  - mindslight 5y ago
    The leaders who made "deplatforming" a topic have also normalized committing egregious crimes, so yes it would seem to be so.
    - EdwardDiego 5y ago
      ...can you expand on that?
      - mindslight 5y ago
        The centralized power of webapps have been a concern for hackers since webapps became popular. I and many others have been talking about this for well over a decade. And on this front, we should all work towards decentralized software to eliminate this societal threat. However, "deplatforming" is a more recent political term meant to drive indignance at the existence of social repercussions (eg political hacks talking on FOX about being "deplatformed" by other channels). It's a motte and bailey set up - the motte is the longstanding issue of unaccountable centralized authorities, and the bailey is the wider tolerance of bad-faith debate-destroying spam that used to be confined to AM radio. Furthermore, the leaders of The Party pushing this issue of "deplatforming" have also been committing notorious crimes. Off the top of my head - dereliction of duty (many counts), plotting to overthrow the US government, obstruction of congress, statutory rape, and human trafficking. These crimes are an integral part of their public reputations, and therefore a large part of why they might be "deplatformed". And so, it is quite in line with its overall usage to apply the term "deplatforming" here. The Sacklers committed crimes, and so their shamed name is being removed from a wing of the Met - an institution that doesn't want to be associated with them. Basic accountability does look an awful lot like like injustice, when one brushes past the inconvenient details.
        EdwardDiego 5y ago
        Thank you for expanding :) I can kinda see your point.
- jfengel 5y ago
  And future charitable organizations are going to be turning down a lot more donations. You can't de-platform somebody who hasn't been platformed. And somebody demanding an "anti-deplatforming" clause has just given you a heads-up that they're doing something that would make you think twice about giving them your platform in the first place. That'll suck for organizations that need the money. But it'll suck less than being seen as a way of burnishing a person's bad reputation or easing their guilty conscience.
perl4ever 5y ago
I vaguely thought that many if not most of the casualties from oxycontin were due to adulteration with fentanyl. And I also thought that the OG opiate, that has been used and abused for much longer than either has been around, is morphine. So I'm not entirely clear on why I don't read about the same level of anger regarding makers of those drugs.
- EdwardDiego 5y ago
  The deliberate marketing of an addictive drug as "less addictive", aggressively marketing it to doctors... Don't recall anyone doing so with fentanyl.
  - zardo 5y ago
    It's competitive advantage was 10hrs between doses, that meant one dose per nursing shift rather two. A big plus from a hospital's point of view. However pain relief was inadequate by hour 8, so the recommendation needed adjustment. Rather than make the recommendation in the patients interest of lowering the time between doses, they made the recommendation in their own (and the hospital's) financial interest. Increasing the dose.
    - EdwardDiego 5y ago
      What does "it" refer to? Oxycontin or fentanyl?
      - zardo 5y ago
        Oxycontin
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    I think we all recall the media coverage. That isn't the same thing as recalling actual interactions with doctors, and not recalling something (let alone not recalling media reporting) is different from recalling that a thing didn't happen. They were all prescribed for a family member of mine who had cancer, in the sequence: oxycontin, then fentanyl, and then morphine. Nobody said anything about the addictiveness.

29 points by jbegley 5y ago

“Wing donated by anonymous? Now it looks like I donated mine just for the credit, unlike Mr. Wonderful Anonymous.” -Larry David

melony 5y ago

Future donations need to come with anti-deplatfoming clauses.

EdwardDiego 5y ago
Is it deplatforming when you've committed egregious crimes?
- mindslight 5y ago
  The leaders who made "deplatforming" a topic have also normalized committing egregious crimes, so yes it would seem to be so.
  - EdwardDiego 5y ago
    ...can you expand on that?
    - mindslight 5y ago
      The centralized power of webapps have been a concern for hackers since webapps became popular. I and many others have been talking about this for well over a decade. And on this front, we should all work towards decentralized software to eliminate this societal threat. However, "deplatforming" is a more recent political term meant to drive indignance at the existence of social repercussions (eg political hacks talking on FOX about being "deplatformed" by other channels). It's a motte and bailey set up - the motte is the longstanding issue of unaccountable centralized authorities, and the bailey is the wider tolerance of bad-faith debate-destroying spam that used to be confined to AM radio. Furthermore, the leaders of The Party pushing this issue of "deplatforming" have also been committing notorious crimes. Off the top of my head - dereliction of duty (many counts), plotting to overthrow the US government, obstruction of congress, statutory rape, and human trafficking. These crimes are an integral part of their public reputations, and therefore a large part of why they might be "deplatformed". And so, it is quite in line with its overall usage to apply the term "deplatforming" here. The Sacklers committed crimes, and so their shamed name is being removed from a wing of the Met - an institution that doesn't want to be associated with them. Basic accountability does look an awful lot like like injustice, when one brushes past the inconvenient details.
      - EdwardDiego 5y ago
        Thank you for expanding :) I can kinda see your point.
jfengel 5y ago
And future charitable organizations are going to be turning down a lot more donations. You can't de-platform somebody who hasn't been platformed. And somebody demanding an "anti-deplatforming" clause has just given you a heads-up that they're doing something that would make you think twice about giving them your platform in the first place. That'll suck for organizations that need the money. But it'll suck less than being seen as a way of burnishing a person's bad reputation or easing their guilty conscience.

perl4ever 5y ago

I vaguely thought that many if not most of the casualties from oxycontin were due to adulteration with fentanyl. And I also thought that the OG opiate, that has been used and abused for much longer than either has been around, is morphine. So I'm not entirely clear on why I don't read about the same level of anger regarding makers of those drugs.

EdwardDiego 5y ago
The deliberate marketing of an addictive drug as "less addictive", aggressively marketing it to doctors... Don't recall anyone doing so with fentanyl.
- zardo 5y ago
  It's competitive advantage was 10hrs between doses, that meant one dose per nursing shift rather two. A big plus from a hospital's point of view. However pain relief was inadequate by hour 8, so the recommendation needed adjustment. Rather than make the recommendation in the patients interest of lowering the time between doses, they made the recommendation in their own (and the hospital's) financial interest. Increasing the dose.
  - EdwardDiego 5y ago
    What does "it" refer to? Oxycontin or fentanyl?
    - zardo 5y ago
      Oxycontin
- perl4ever 5y ago
  I think we all recall the media coverage. That isn't the same thing as recalling actual interactions with doctors, and not recalling something (let alone not recalling media reporting) is different from recalling that a thing didn't happen. They were all prescribed for a family member of mine who had cancer, in the sequence: oxycontin, then fentanyl, and then morphine. Nobody said anything about the addictiveness.