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A good article, I appreciate all the discussion on prompts too. However the author is a bit too underestimating of the language model and math: > GPT-3 is quic

A good article, I appreciate all the discussion on prompts too. However the author is a bit too underestimating of the language model and math: > GPT-3 is quick to learn that the narratives should include these comparisons, but often gets the maths wrong: > > During these runs he has climbed 62,599 feet, that’s the equivalent of climbing Mount Everest six times (but a bit less steep) > Everest is ~29,000 feet, so this runner has climbed Everest roughly twice. I think it's the author here who gets the math wrong. An Everest climb is closer to 10,000 feet, making the GPT-3 math alarmingly accurate.

jeanloolz 5y ago
Mount Everest, as far as I know is near 8850 meters high, which in feet is probably around 30000. The article snippets you took seem right to me, the author math checks out.
- cryptoz 5y ago
  Right but you can't climb that. The author's math ignores the real context of climbing and uses a google search for the math. But no climber can climb the full altitude due to the physical geography. There's nobody that can relate to climbing that altitude on one mountain because the physical ground isn't like that. I guess what I'm saying is the AI is showing better understanding of climbing context than the author is giving credit for.
  - peab 5y ago
    Yes, according to this the elevation gains are ~3500m which is ~11,000 feet: https://www.strava.com/challenges/Strava-Climbing-Challenge-Run-May-2017 https://www.strava.com/challenges/Strava-Climbing-Challenge-...
  - joe_the_user 5y ago
    It's implausible that GTP-3 wrote that because it knew the actual amount of climbing involve in an Everest ascent and tosses it without comment in a way that would look wrong to most people who read it. It's far more likely that the program cobbled together a variety of factoids and so got it's wrong-sounding statement in the same way it makes many other clearly wrong or illogical statements.
    - perl4ever 5y ago
      >It's implausible that GTP-3 wrote that because it knew the actual amount of climbing involve in an Everest ascent and tosses it without comment in a way that would look wrong to most people who read it. It sounds like you're suggesting that if it could get the number right, it would probably also be able to model people well enough to understand they would consider it a mistake. I'm not highly confident of its ability to do the former, but it has zero information on what sort of person is interacting with it, correct? I don't see how it can possibly know. Whereas, it must have the fact embedded in it.
      - joe_the_user 5y ago
        It sounds like you're suggesting that if it could get the number right, it would probably also be able to model people well enough to understand they would consider it a mistake. We don't have to reason with counter-factuals here. GPT-3 just reproduces language. It isn't trained to be right, it's trained to predict and reproduce language so it has no incentive to be right. And the pattern of saying something correct but wound-sounding is quire rare in my experience. Most people who do that do it by accident as well I think. It also has no model of people and it knows no numbers. Everything it spits out is response to context, which does allow to seem to model people and seem to know numbers. No doubt, it has an association with some article describing the actual distance of an Everest ascent as well many other facts and misinformation about Everest. It will spit all this out in context.
ColinEberhardt 5y ago
Author here! I'll hold me hands up to getting the maths wrong. With Strava, you can choose metric or imperial units. However, I discovered that this only effects activity distances (which the API reports in km or miles). Elevation is always reported in metres (via the API). I've fixed that now: https://github.com/ColinEberhardt/running-report-card/commit/555c336abb664e45729b56674a891648c75de7bb https://github.com/ColinEberhardt/running-report-card/commit...

jeanloolz 5y ago

Mount Everest, as far as I know is near 8850 meters high, which in feet is probably around 30000. The article snippets you took seem right to me, the author math checks out.

cryptoz 5y ago
Right but you can't climb that. The author's math ignores the real context of climbing and uses a google search for the math. But no climber can climb the full altitude due to the physical geography. There's nobody that can relate to climbing that altitude on one mountain because the physical ground isn't like that. I guess what I'm saying is the AI is showing better understanding of climbing context than the author is giving credit for.
- peab 5y ago
  Yes, according to this the elevation gains are ~3500m which is ~11,000 feet: https://www.strava.com/challenges/Strava-Climbing-Challenge-Run-May-2017 https://www.strava.com/challenges/Strava-Climbing-Challenge-...
- joe_the_user 5y ago
  It's implausible that GTP-3 wrote that because it knew the actual amount of climbing involve in an Everest ascent and tosses it without comment in a way that would look wrong to most people who read it. It's far more likely that the program cobbled together a variety of factoids and so got it's wrong-sounding statement in the same way it makes many other clearly wrong or illogical statements.
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    >It's implausible that GTP-3 wrote that because it knew the actual amount of climbing involve in an Everest ascent and tosses it without comment in a way that would look wrong to most people who read it. It sounds like you're suggesting that if it could get the number right, it would probably also be able to model people well enough to understand they would consider it a mistake. I'm not highly confident of its ability to do the former, but it has zero information on what sort of person is interacting with it, correct? I don't see how it can possibly know. Whereas, it must have the fact embedded in it.
    - joe_the_user 5y ago
      It sounds like you're suggesting that if it could get the number right, it would probably also be able to model people well enough to understand they would consider it a mistake. We don't have to reason with counter-factuals here. GPT-3 just reproduces language. It isn't trained to be right, it's trained to predict and reproduce language so it has no incentive to be right. And the pattern of saying something correct but wound-sounding is quire rare in my experience. Most people who do that do it by accident as well I think. It also has no model of people and it knows no numbers. Everything it spits out is response to context, which does allow to seem to model people and seem to know numbers. No doubt, it has an association with some article describing the actual distance of an Everest ascent as well many other facts and misinformation about Everest. It will spit all this out in context.

ColinEberhardt 5y ago

Author here! I'll hold me hands up to getting the maths wrong. With Strava, you can choose metric or imperial units. However, I discovered that this only effects activity distances (which the API reports in km or miles). Elevation is always reported in metres (via the API). I've fixed that now: https://github.com/ColinEberhardt/running-report-card/commit/555c336abb664e45729b56674a891648c75de7bb https://github.com/ColinEberhardt/running-report-card/commit...