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From the link: "Google Support reached out to me through here " So multi million fine threats is how you get to a human at Google.

taneq 5y ago
Isn't that how you get any organism's attention against its will? You scare it.
- willis936 5y ago
  Google is not scared of fines. They're more akin to a machine. if fine cost * probability of fine being issued > cost to address then address else end.
  - mikepurvis 5y ago
    "A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."
    - technobabbler 5y ago
      To be fair, though, what would you do if you were the decision maker? Would you really give up one of your yachts this year just to save ten thousand lives?
      - mikepurvis 5y ago
        Unfettered capitalism says that the corporation has no conscience and if it can clear responsibility for the death with an out of court settlement, then that's it done and there's no further business. The obvious fix is some kind of government/regulatory involvement that introduces additional fines/costs for bad behaviour, whether specific to endangering the public or more broad. And of course, sometimes this is upfront standards stuff like we have for emissions, lighting, seatbelts, etc, whereas other times it's prosecuted as a negligence charge after that fact.
      - NieDzejkob 5y ago
        I really hope this is Poe's law at work.
Causality1 5y ago
"Google uses AI to write apology for murdering user" is a headline I fully expect to read one day.
- technobabbler 5y ago
  More like "Google AI murders user, sends notification to Android phone." "Android 14 is here! Android 13 had some bugs that led to an inadvertent use of deadly force. The error has been rectified and lethality should decrease in this version."
  - registeredcorn 5y ago
    Android 13 "ED-209" edition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M
- kordlessagain 5y ago
  Just give it time.

taneq 5y ago

Isn't that how you get any organism's attention against its will? You scare it.

willis936 5y ago
Google is not scared of fines. They're more akin to a machine. if fine cost * probability of fine being issued > cost to address then address else end.
- mikepurvis 5y ago
  "A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."
  - technobabbler 5y ago
    To be fair, though, what would you do if you were the decision maker? Would you really give up one of your yachts this year just to save ten thousand lives?
    - mikepurvis 5y ago
      Unfettered capitalism says that the corporation has no conscience and if it can clear responsibility for the death with an out of court settlement, then that's it done and there's no further business. The obvious fix is some kind of government/regulatory involvement that introduces additional fines/costs for bad behaviour, whether specific to endangering the public or more broad. And of course, sometimes this is upfront standards stuff like we have for emissions, lighting, seatbelts, etc, whereas other times it's prosecuted as a negligence charge after that fact.
    - NieDzejkob 5y ago
      I really hope this is Poe's law at work.

Causality1 5y ago

"Google uses AI to write apology for murdering user" is a headline I fully expect to read one day.

technobabbler 5y ago
More like "Google AI murders user, sends notification to Android phone." "Android 14 is here! Android 13 had some bugs that led to an inadvertent use of deadly force. The error has been rectified and lethality should decrease in this version."
- registeredcorn 5y ago
  Android 13 "ED-209" edition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M
kordlessagain 5y ago
Just give it time.