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I don’t know how people could continue to trust Android when it can’t handle the basics. And yes calling 911 is “the basics”

miriam_catira 5y ago
This is Microsoft at fault for building a terrible app (and why are we surprised about this), not Android. I have used my Android phone to call 911 and it worked correctly (though I don't remember if it was the year I had a Pixel or after I went back to Samsung).
- nunez 5y ago
  It is not Microsoft’s fault. No app should be able to intercept 911 calls. Teams should not have received an actionable event at all here. Microsoft should not have to test the 911 call path.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - miriam_catira 5y ago
    That the thing though - and I should have been more clear in my original comment. What if a user installs a third party phone app, with the intention of never using the standard one? That app would have to be able to send 911 calls. A bug in how the hand off works - yes that's a serious issue. But certainly that's something that we should still hold Teams accountable for testing before they released their app, too. edit: typing too fast on a phone...
  - kaba0 5y ago
    https://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent#ACTION_CALL https://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Inte... It should not happen as per the documentation, so it may be a bug on an OS implementation level, but not on an architectural one.
- avalys 5y ago
  Why does Android allow a buggy app to break 911 calling?
- donny2018 5y ago
  It should be Android’s task to not pass emergency calls to third party apps. Even if you “fix” Teams, any other app still can do it, and you’ll never know.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  If a regular user application can break the ability to call 911 from the default dialer, Android is at fault. Microsoft may also have messed up, but the OS failed by letting the bug manifest.
ziml77 5y ago
I stopped trusting Android when a constantly crashing media scanner service prevented all system sounds from playing (which means no ringers or alarms went off).
danielhlockard 5y ago
I say this as a former android dev, whose app was #1 in paid A/V apps back when Flash was still a thing... Couldn't convince me to use and android device these days.
- joemi 5y ago
  Your double negative is confusing.
  - danielhlockard 5y ago
    fixed?
    - joemi 5y ago
      looks good to me!
- kaba0 5y ago
  Have you kept up with android though? Decade old experience doesn’t mean much otherwise.
lmm 5y ago
> And yes calling 911 is “the basics” It really isn't; the fact that these things are called "phones" is a quirk of history and English etymology, not a reflection of how they're actually used. IMO the fact that we treat voice calls as some sort of special case priority that needs to be implemented in the base system increases the rate of these bugs (personal moan: why can't I use translate on emergency notifications? You'd think that that would be the most important thing to be able to translate...).
- lostlogin 5y ago
  Maybe ‘essentials’ or ‘base requirement’ are better terms than ‘basics’.

miriam_catira 5y ago

This is Microsoft at fault for building a terrible app (and why are we surprised about this), not Android. I have used my Android phone to call 911 and it worked correctly (though I don't remember if it was the year I had a Pixel or after I went back to Samsung).

nunez 5y ago
It is not Microsoft’s fault. No app should be able to intercept 911 calls. Teams should not have received an actionable event at all here. Microsoft should not have to test the 911 call path.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- miriam_catira 5y ago
  That the thing though - and I should have been more clear in my original comment. What if a user installs a third party phone app, with the intention of never using the standard one? That app would have to be able to send 911 calls. A bug in how the hand off works - yes that's a serious issue. But certainly that's something that we should still hold Teams accountable for testing before they released their app, too. edit: typing too fast on a phone...
- kaba0 5y ago
  https://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent#ACTION_CALL https://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Inte... It should not happen as per the documentation, so it may be a bug on an OS implementation level, but not on an architectural one.
avalys 5y ago
Why does Android allow a buggy app to break 911 calling?
donny2018 5y ago
It should be Android’s task to not pass emergency calls to third party apps. Even if you “fix” Teams, any other app still can do it, and you’ll never know.
yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
If a regular user application can break the ability to call 911 from the default dialer, Android is at fault. Microsoft may also have messed up, but the OS failed by letting the bug manifest.

ziml77 5y ago

I stopped trusting Android when a constantly crashing media scanner service prevented all system sounds from playing (which means no ringers or alarms went off).

danielhlockard 5y ago

I say this as a former android dev, whose app was #1 in paid A/V apps back when Flash was still a thing... Couldn't convince me to use and android device these days.

joemi 5y ago
Your double negative is confusing.
- danielhlockard 5y ago
  fixed?
  - joemi 5y ago
    looks good to me!
kaba0 5y ago
Have you kept up with android though? Decade old experience doesn’t mean much otherwise.

lmm 5y ago

> And yes calling 911 is “the basics” It really isn't; the fact that these things are called "phones" is a quirk of history and English etymology, not a reflection of how they're actually used. IMO the fact that we treat voice calls as some sort of special case priority that needs to be implemented in the base system increases the rate of these bugs (personal moan: why can't I use translate on emergency notifications? You'd think that that would be the most important thing to be able to translate...).

lostlogin 5y ago
Maybe ‘essentials’ or ‘base requirement’ are better terms than ‘basics’.