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China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems. You now see American business people like Elon Musk promote divestment from the USA in his attack
by mempko 5y ago
China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems. You now see American business people like Elon Musk promote divestment from the USA in his attack on government deficits.
- justinator 5y ago> China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems So long as you're not Muslim.
- dirtyid 5y agoTechnically, especially Muslims. The per capita amount spent on securitization, reeducation, labour transfer (jobs programs) for the purpose of sinicizating restive muslims population is massive.
- autosharp 5y agoThose camps didn't build themselves.
- laurent92 5y agoFrance has invested a lot in their Muslims, and only has neighborhood violence to show for it. It’s the most costly people to invest in.
- justicezyx 5y agoWhat do you mean? China invest heavily in Xinjiang. Xinjiang GDP is 19th on the list https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%8D%8E%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E5%85%B1%E5%92%8C%E5%9B%BD%E7%9C%81%E7%BA%A7%E8%A1%8C%E6%94%BF%E5%8C%BA%E4%BA%BA%E5%9D%87%E5%9C%B0%E5%8C%BA%E7%94%9F%E4%BA%A7%E6%80%BB%E5%80%BC%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8 https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%8D%8E%E4%BA%BA%... Per capita GDP is similarly ranked. And there are 56 minorities groups in China, they were all have specific aid program, like preferential treatment in national college exams. What's the basis of such a wishwash statement on China and the people? Are you suggesting Chinese people are practicing racial segregation? Or what exactly are you suggesting?
- idiotsecant 5y agobarbed wire and re-education don't count!
- star-trek-fleet 5y ago[flagged]
- vineyardmike 5y ago> Are you suggesting Chinese people are practicing racial segregation? Lol. Are concentration camps segregation? Because if so, then yeah that is what most people (outside of china) suggest is happening.
- star-trek-fleet 5y ago[flagged]
- Barrin92 5y agothat this is an extreme oversimplification of the Xinjiang issue should be obvious given the fact that other Muslim Chinese minorities like the Hui in China enjoy relative religious freedom. (in fact the issue is assimilation into China's ruling class, not religion per se). In fact inter-Muslim wars in China itself have a long history between different Islamic groups. Also of course the (lack of) response from the Muslim world in general to the Uyghur situation should make clear that the situation is somewhat more complicated.
- echelon 5y ago> You now see American business people like Elon Musk promote divestment from the USA in his attack on government deficits. Source? If that's true, that's disgusting.
- AnthonyMouse 5y agohttps://electrek.co/2021/12/07/elon-musk-senate-not-pass-build-back-better-act-tesla-doesnt-need/ https://electrek.co/2021/12/07/elon-musk-senate-not-pass-bui... Context: The bill they're talking about is unusually porcine, to the point of overwhelming even cynics. Relevant example: Subsidies of $12,500 for electric vehicles, but only if they're made by a union. Because auto unions are major campaign donors. Everybody always talks about "oh the government spends so much money on pork all the time, deficits are so big etc." but this is another level: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYONGDA188S https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYONGDA188S Federal spending as percent of GDP last year: More than triple the level present during the New Deal. >50% increase year over year. It's unprecedented in peacetime. The only time it has ever been more as a percent of GDP is WWII, and in dollars (even per capita and adjusted for inflation) it's already more than WWII. This year's proposals are a significant increase from that level. The claim that to oppose the bill is to "promote divestment from the USA" is pretty bold.
- echelon 5y agoThank you for the context!
- mempko 5y agoAll that money goes into the private sector. Government deficits are an investment. Recent investment is huge and helped millions of people. Without the investment we would be in a depression (not just a recession). Elon Musk is not happy about this kind of investment for some reason. He doesn't want the government to invest so much in it's own people, which is so strange to me. There are of course criticism in the details. For example, a majority of the funds went to the top 10% which isn't great. How the funds were deployed was far, far from ideal. It lead to asset price inflation because of this. So there are problems with it, but the alternative, not investing, would have been much worse.
- bserge 5y agoCome in, grab the money, take control and/or leave. Easy when it's a western democratic country. Freedom, tolerance and diplomacy are core tenets, after all. Some tried that in China only to realize their government aren't a bunch of muppets. I wonder how long it will take either for corporations to tame/destabilize the CCP or the latter to squash them into submission.
- systemvoltage 5y agoNo, American executives sold middle class souls to mass manufacturing in China, directly leading to Trumpism.
- MangoCoffee 5y ago>China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems. when you say "invested more in their people"? what do you mean? if we are talking about education. both country offer free education to its people. College education are not compulsory and free in both countries
- beauzero 5y agoOne culture values a broad band of technical education...one values social education. One advances technically and one wrestles with social issues.
- MangoCoffee 5y agothat's culture differences. it doesn't support or shown China invest more in its people. I'll argue, you don't need a lot of techies. you need people with vision like Steve Jobs, Jack Ma...etc. they don't have tech background and yet created giant tech company.
- kelnos 5y agoYou need both, and you need a lot more "techies" than visionaries. Otherwise those visionaries just sit around at home with no one competent enough to execute on their vision.
- thrdbndndn 5y agoCollege education is dirty cheap in China compared to the US (income adjusted).
- MangoCoffee 5y agothis doesn't support "China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems.".
- thrdbndndn 5y ago