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"Forced conversion to Catholicism from a blood thirst cult that stained their monuments with the blood of innocents" Not sure you want to bring into focus Cath

"Forced conversion to Catholicism from a blood thirst cult that stained their monuments with the blood of innocents" Not sure you want to bring into focus Catholicism's history as it relates to the blood of innocents..

dang 5y ago
Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic or (god help us) religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Gabriel_Martin 5y ago
  Sorry, I took the bait. My bad.
djsbs 5y ago
@Gabriel Martin. “ Not sure you want to bring into focus Catholicism's history on the blood of innocents..” Go for it. I’ll defend the sins of Rome against the depravities of any other civilization, including and especially our own.
- deleted 5y ago
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christkv 5y ago
I don’t know compared to what major faith. Name of one that has not perpetrated mass murder in name of some deity or idea.
- shrimp_emoji 5y ago
  A safe bet is this one, which is also one of the most ancient ones that still exists today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism
shrimp_emoji 5y ago
It's funny to reflect on the context, too. The Inca were probably the most astonishingly advanced Native Americans, and they surely had great thinkers (definitely great engineers). And here come the conquistadors, rock-headed barbarians from the most desperate segments of Spanish society (little else drove people to risk their life for riches in the New World), absolutely slaughtering them, burning their cultural artifacts or melting them down into ingots when applicable. It's like if (a much more desperate and destitute version of) the January 6th protesters were sent to conquer new worlds. As an aside, a colorful example[0]: they lured the Emperor in a plaza (he came to show he was unafraid, and his army were disarmed of all but ceremonial weapons), and, in the slaughter that ensued, they tried capturing him. He was up on a palanquin, carried by servants. Unable to reach him, the Spanish began cutting off the limbs of the servants, who it's said, without thinking, bore the load on their shoulders instead (it was unthinkable to do otherwise, as they considered the Emperor a god). Eventually, they captured him. In captivity, they taught him to play Chess, and I think it's said he was good at it. Later, panicked that an army was going to come and re-capture him, they killed him. Before his death, he was offered conversion to Catholicism, which he accepted, which awarded him the clemency of being strangled instead of burned alive. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cajamarca https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cajamarca
- chestertn 5y ago
  This is a very colorful view of history. You can also see that the first university in America was built by the spaniards. The first university in Asia? Also, built by the spaniards. The earlier ships were a mixture of those "barbarians" as you mentioned, and very learned people. The concept of international law and human rights started with the discussions in Spain after the discovery of America: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/school-salamanca/#IusGentIusAdBellEnslIndiAfriOthe https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/school-salamanca/#IusGent...
  - unmole 5y ago
    > The first university in Asia? Also, built by the spaniards. I didn't realise the universities at Takshashila and Nalanda were built by Visigoths. /s

dang 5y ago

Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic or (god help us) religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Gabriel_Martin 5y ago
Sorry, I took the bait. My bad.

djsbs 5y ago

@Gabriel Martin. “ Not sure you want to bring into focus Catholicism's history on the blood of innocents..” Go for it. I’ll defend the sins of Rome against the depravities of any other civilization, including and especially our own.

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christkv 5y ago

I don’t know compared to what major faith. Name of one that has not perpetrated mass murder in name of some deity or idea.

shrimp_emoji 5y ago
A safe bet is this one, which is also one of the most ancient ones that still exists today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism

shrimp_emoji 5y ago

It's funny to reflect on the context, too. The Inca were probably the most astonishingly advanced Native Americans, and they surely had great thinkers (definitely great engineers). And here come the conquistadors, rock-headed barbarians from the most desperate segments of Spanish society (little else drove people to risk their life for riches in the New World), absolutely slaughtering them, burning their cultural artifacts or melting them down into ingots when applicable. It's like if (a much more desperate and destitute version of) the January 6th protesters were sent to conquer new worlds. As an aside, a colorful example[0]: they lured the Emperor in a plaza (he came to show he was unafraid, and his army were disarmed of all but ceremonial weapons), and, in the slaughter that ensued, they tried capturing him. He was up on a palanquin, carried by servants. Unable to reach him, the Spanish began cutting off the limbs of the servants, who it's said, without thinking, bore the load on their shoulders instead (it was unthinkable to do otherwise, as they considered the Emperor a god). Eventually, they captured him. In captivity, they taught him to play Chess, and I think it's said he was good at it. Later, panicked that an army was going to come and re-capture him, they killed him. Before his death, he was offered conversion to Catholicism, which he accepted, which awarded him the clemency of being strangled instead of burned alive. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cajamarca https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cajamarca

chestertn 5y ago
This is a very colorful view of history. You can also see that the first university in America was built by the spaniards. The first university in Asia? Also, built by the spaniards. The earlier ships were a mixture of those "barbarians" as you mentioned, and very learned people. The concept of international law and human rights started with the discussions in Spain after the discovery of America: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/school-salamanca/#IusGentIusAdBellEnslIndiAfriOthe https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/school-salamanca/#IusGent...
- unmole 5y ago
  > The first university in Asia? Also, built by the spaniards. I didn't realise the universities at Takshashila and Nalanda were built by Visigoths. /s