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I guess this will hit all electric vehicles at first. Due to the higher weight you will have more energetic collisions compared to fuel powered cars. Of course

I guess this will hit all electric vehicles at first. Due to the higher weight you will have more energetic collisions compared to fuel powered cars. Of course there are still differences by model.

p49k 5y ago
Tesla Model 3: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/55749/euroncap-2019-tesla-model-3-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/55749/euroncap-2019-tesla-mod... BMW iX: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67239/euroncap-2021-bmw-ix-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67239/euroncap-2021-bmw-ix-da... Jaguar I-Pace: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/63559/euroncap-2018-jaguar-i-pace-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/63559/euroncap-2018-jaguar-i-... Nissan Leaf: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/62961/euroncap-2018-nissan-leaf-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/62961/euroncap-2018-nissan-le... VW ID3: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/64338/euroncap-2020-vw-id3-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/64338/euroncap-2020-vw-id3-da... VW ID4: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/64335/euroncap-2021-vw-id4-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/64335/euroncap-2021-vw-id4-da... Hyundai Ioniq 5: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67127/euroncap-2021-hyundai-ioniq-5-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67127/euroncap-2021-hyundai-i... Ford Mustang Mach-e: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/65695/euroncap-2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/65695/euroncap-2021-ford-must...
- lazyjones 5y ago
  Renault Zoe 2013 model: 5 stars https://www.euroncap.com/de/results/renault/zoe/8889 https://www.euroncap.com/de/results/renault/zoe/8889
  - janoc 5y ago
    Yes - and using fairly different criteria, with little emphasis on things like pedestrian protection or various safety systems (like automatic emergency braking). Which is where the current model lost big time as those are not available for it (due to cost reasons - the car is so expensive already that fitting some sophisticated automation would make it unsellable).
- Hamuko 5y ago
  I guess this is just more proof that the Mach-E is not a true Mustang: the Ford Mustang got 2/5 stars in 2017 and even after Ford changed the specs, it only got a 3/5.
is_true 5y ago
Renault is known for making coffins with wheels
- cbg0 5y ago
  This is a ridiculous statement, 3 different Renault models from 2019 each score 5 stars on Euro NCAP tests and the Kangoo tested in 2021 tested at 4/5.
  - is_true 5y ago
    You should check the crap they sell in third world countries. Check latin ncap for example.
janoc 5y ago
Not really, that's apples to oranges comparison comparing this to something like a Tesla, Ioniq or one of the large expensive electric SUVs. Something like Ioniq 5 is almost twice as big compared to a Zoe ... Zoe is an urban supermini, only slightly bigger than a Smart or Twingo. And with minimal equipment (no expensive assistive systems) to bring the price down because otherwise it wouldn't be possible to sell it. Zoe pricing starts at 32500€ (comparably or even larger sized Clio at about 15000€). It used to be possible to buy it cheaper - but then you needed to add monthly rent of the battery pack (battery pack was leased from the manufacturer, you don't buy it with the Zoe - Renault specialty) So there simply isn't either physical or pricing space for any fancy equipment like extra airbags, electronic safety/assistive systems, etc. - and that's where Zoe was losing big time in the NCAP tests.
- gambiting 5y ago
  I generally agree, except for this point: "because otherwise it wouldn't be possible to sell it." Like, Dacia is making their EV literally for 1/3rd of the cost of the Zoe[0], and yet they managed to get 1 star in ncap tests[1]. So no, I don't think it "wouldn't be possible" to include these better systems - it's just Renault being cheap and riding their brand recognition as Zoe is a pretty popular model. [0] https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dacia-spring-ev-looking-very-positive-uk-sale https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dacia-spring-ev-... [1] https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/spring/44197 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/spring/44197
  - janoc 5y ago
    But Renault and Dacia are not on the same level of tech. Dacia literally uses stripped "hand-me-downs" from old Renault models, i.e. everything where any R&D is long paid of. So of course they are cheap. Dacia certainly didn't get that one star because it includes any assistive systems (it does not). It is just slightly bigger so the protection of the occupants in the cabin is naturally better than in the cramped Zoe.
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I guess this will hit all electric vehicles at first. Due to the higher weight you will have more energetic collisions compared to fuel powered cars. Of course there are still differences by model.

p49k 5y ago

Tesla Model 3: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/55749/euroncap-2019-tesla-model-3-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/55749/euroncap-2019-tesla-mod... BMW iX: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67239/euroncap-2021-bmw-ix-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67239/euroncap-2021-bmw-ix-da... Jaguar I-Pace: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/63559/euroncap-2018-jaguar-i-pace-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/63559/euroncap-2018-jaguar-i-... Nissan Leaf: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/62961/euroncap-2018-nissan-leaf-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/62961/euroncap-2018-nissan-le... VW ID3: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/64338/euroncap-2020-vw-id3-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/64338/euroncap-2020-vw-id3-da... VW ID4: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/64335/euroncap-2021-vw-id4-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/64335/euroncap-2021-vw-id4-da... Hyundai Ioniq 5: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67127/euroncap-2021-hyundai-ioniq-5-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67127/euroncap-2021-hyundai-i... Ford Mustang Mach-e: 5 stars https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/65695/euroncap-2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-datasheet.pdf https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/65695/euroncap-2021-ford-must...

lazyjones 5y ago
Renault Zoe 2013 model: 5 stars https://www.euroncap.com/de/results/renault/zoe/8889 https://www.euroncap.com/de/results/renault/zoe/8889
- janoc 5y ago
  Yes - and using fairly different criteria, with little emphasis on things like pedestrian protection or various safety systems (like automatic emergency braking). Which is where the current model lost big time as those are not available for it (due to cost reasons - the car is so expensive already that fitting some sophisticated automation would make it unsellable).
Hamuko 5y ago
I guess this is just more proof that the Mach-E is not a true Mustang: the Ford Mustang got 2/5 stars in 2017 and even after Ford changed the specs, it only got a 3/5.

is_true 5y ago

Renault is known for making coffins with wheels

cbg0 5y ago
This is a ridiculous statement, 3 different Renault models from 2019 each score 5 stars on Euro NCAP tests and the Kangoo tested in 2021 tested at 4/5.
- is_true 5y ago
  You should check the crap they sell in third world countries. Check latin ncap for example.

janoc 5y ago

Not really, that's apples to oranges comparison comparing this to something like a Tesla, Ioniq or one of the large expensive electric SUVs. Something like Ioniq 5 is almost twice as big compared to a Zoe ... Zoe is an urban supermini, only slightly bigger than a Smart or Twingo. And with minimal equipment (no expensive assistive systems) to bring the price down because otherwise it wouldn't be possible to sell it. Zoe pricing starts at 32500€ (comparably or even larger sized Clio at about 15000€). It used to be possible to buy it cheaper - but then you needed to add monthly rent of the battery pack (battery pack was leased from the manufacturer, you don't buy it with the Zoe - Renault specialty) So there simply isn't either physical or pricing space for any fancy equipment like extra airbags, electronic safety/assistive systems, etc. - and that's where Zoe was losing big time in the NCAP tests.

gambiting 5y ago
I generally agree, except for this point: "because otherwise it wouldn't be possible to sell it." Like, Dacia is making their EV literally for 1/3rd of the cost of the Zoe[0], and yet they managed to get 1 star in ncap tests[1]. So no, I don't think it "wouldn't be possible" to include these better systems - it's just Renault being cheap and riding their brand recognition as Zoe is a pretty popular model. [0] https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dacia-spring-ev-looking-very-positive-uk-sale https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dacia-spring-ev-... [1] https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/spring/44197 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/spring/44197
- janoc 5y ago
  But Renault and Dacia are not on the same level of tech. Dacia literally uses stripped "hand-me-downs" from old Renault models, i.e. everything where any R&D is long paid of. So of course they are cheap. Dacia certainly didn't get that one star because it includes any assistive systems (it does not). It is just slightly bigger so the protection of the occupants in the cabin is naturally better than in the cramped Zoe.

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