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There is little evidence right now that immunity through a natural infection is better than immunity from a vaccine. Given the strains circulating now I don’t

There is little evidence right now that immunity through a natural infection is better than immunity from a vaccine. Given the strains circulating now I don’t think your concern is valid. Vaccines are better and less risky than having your naive immune system deal with covid. Maybe that will change with a future strain (though I’d bet against it), but it isn’t the case now.

landemva 5y ago
What does 'better' mean to you? I am in relatively lower risk group, and in good health. I got it and recovered on my own. I got blood test and have Dr. letter to prove it. It appears I now have sterilizing immunity, which is not available with the present vaccines. I suggest sterilizing immunity is better for everyone around me.
- nly 5y ago
  Bullshit of course. You can get COVID multiple distinct times, with or without a vaccine
arcbyte 5y ago
> Vaccines are better and less risky than having your naive immune system deal with covid. Agreed. However, many people are not in that position. For those who have been infected but not vaccinated, they have experienced immune systems and must evaluate information from that starting point.
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- hcknwscommenter 5y ago
  Except all available safety and efficacy data shows that those who have been infected but not vaccinated should get vaccinated.
AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
> There is little evidence right now that immunity through a natural infection is better than immunity from a vaccine. This is a very strong claim to make without any evidence or proof. To the contrary, there is strong evidence that natural infection brings considerably better immunity than any vaccination does. [0] Study analyzed: > 2.5 million people in Israel, spanning March 1st 2020 to August 14th 2021. Full study can be read in detail: [1] [0] https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/312538 https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/312538 [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
- peter422 5y ago
  There is a more recent U.S. study [1], which comes to a different conclusion, and neither of these studies take into account boosters (or a longer delay between shots), which by all accounts improves vaccine effectiveness by ~10x. Being vaccinated and then boosted offers as worst equal protection, probably better, against infection and disease, with much much lower risk of side effects, serious disease, long covid or death. 1: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7044e1-H.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7044e1-H.pdf
  - beerandt 5y ago
    That's an unbelievably poorly designed study, for many reasons. It basically says unvaccinated people who are already or recently sick (with any "covid-like" symptoms) are more likely to go to the hospital once they catch covid (vs vaccinated). (Duh.) Worse, it presumes any of those sick people with respiratory symptoms had natural immunity to covid without any confirmation. So it's not comparing natural immunity to vaccinated immunity, but vaccinated individuals vs anybody-unvaccinated-thats-been-sick-with-anything-in-the-last-6-months. Put another way, it presumes any "covid-like" symptoms results in natural immunity to covid, then puts that assumption to the test. And instead of admitting it's a bad assumption and that most of this group didn't previously have covid, they attribute it to natural immunity not being effective.
    - 5y ago
timr 5y ago
https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... > The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.
- heimidal 5y ago
  From the same article: > The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.
  - timr 5y ago
    Yes, and? The comment to which I'm responding said there's little evidence that natural immunity is better than vaccines. That's just not true. There's pretty strong evidence, actually. That natural immunity plus a booster is better than either is interesting, but not responsive to the question.
    - hcknwscommenter 5y ago
      No there is not strong evidence. The Israeli study highlighted previous infection versus vaccinated but not (yet) infected. Note the "previously infected" category did not exclude the vaccinated, but the vaccinated category did exclude the previously infected. The only solid conclusion to make from that is: that even if you have been previously infected, get a vaccine.
      - timr 5y ago
juanani 5y ago
> Vaccines are better and less risky than having your naive immune system deal with covid. This sounds sooo backwards. Drug companies really fucked the whole world up with these misinformations. If you could please not parrot it around, would do the future great service. lmfao, we're sooo fucked.

landemva 5y ago

What does 'better' mean to you? I am in relatively lower risk group, and in good health. I got it and recovered on my own. I got blood test and have Dr. letter to prove it. It appears I now have sterilizing immunity, which is not available with the present vaccines. I suggest sterilizing immunity is better for everyone around me.

nly 5y ago
Bullshit of course. You can get COVID multiple distinct times, with or without a vaccine

arcbyte 5y ago

> Vaccines are better and less risky than having your naive immune system deal with covid. Agreed. However, many people are not in that position. For those who have been infected but not vaccinated, they have experienced immune systems and must evaluate information from that starting point.

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hcknwscommenter 5y ago
Except all available safety and efficacy data shows that those who have been infected but not vaccinated should get vaccinated.

AndrewUnmuted 5y ago

> There is little evidence right now that immunity through a natural infection is better than immunity from a vaccine. This is a very strong claim to make without any evidence or proof. To the contrary, there is strong evidence that natural infection brings considerably better immunity than any vaccination does. [0] Study analyzed: > 2.5 million people in Israel, spanning March 1st 2020 to August 14th 2021. Full study can be read in detail: [1] [0] https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/312538 https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/312538 [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

peter422 5y ago
There is a more recent U.S. study [1], which comes to a different conclusion, and neither of these studies take into account boosters (or a longer delay between shots), which by all accounts improves vaccine effectiveness by ~10x. Being vaccinated and then boosted offers as worst equal protection, probably better, against infection and disease, with much much lower risk of side effects, serious disease, long covid or death. 1: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7044e1-H.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7044e1-H.pdf
- beerandt 5y ago
  That's an unbelievably poorly designed study, for many reasons. It basically says unvaccinated people who are already or recently sick (with any "covid-like" symptoms) are more likely to go to the hospital once they catch covid (vs vaccinated). (Duh.) Worse, it presumes any of those sick people with respiratory symptoms had natural immunity to covid without any confirmation. So it's not comparing natural immunity to vaccinated immunity, but vaccinated individuals vs anybody-unvaccinated-thats-been-sick-with-anything-in-the-last-6-months. Put another way, it presumes any "covid-like" symptoms results in natural immunity to covid, then puts that assumption to the test. And instead of admitting it's a bad assumption and that most of this group didn't previously have covid, they attribute it to natural immunity not being effective.
  - 5y ago

timr 5y ago

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... > The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

heimidal 5y ago
From the same article: > The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.
- timr 5y ago
  Yes, and? The comment to which I'm responding said there's little evidence that natural immunity is better than vaccines. That's just not true. There's pretty strong evidence, actually. That natural immunity plus a booster is better than either is interesting, but not responsive to the question.
  - hcknwscommenter 5y ago
    No there is not strong evidence. The Israeli study highlighted previous infection versus vaccinated but not (yet) infected. Note the "previously infected" category did not exclude the vaccinated, but the vaccinated category did exclude the previously infected. The only solid conclusion to make from that is: that even if you have been previously infected, get a vaccine.
    - timr 5y ago

juanani 5y ago

> Vaccines are better and less risky than having your naive immune system deal with covid. This sounds sooo backwards. Drug companies really fucked the whole world up with these misinformations. If you could please not parrot it around, would do the future great service. lmfao, we're sooo fucked.