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My experience has been that just as fast as the walls come down, the mind builds them back up.

by bluSCALE4 5y ago

nicolashahn 5y ago
sometimes, you can build different walls
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  and sometimes, when the walls came down, so did the roof, which ripped out the electrical supply, destroyed the plumbing and ruined all the floors. you don't have a house anymore, just a pile of disorganized raw material and you realize you don't know anything about house construction.
  - toomanydoubts 5y ago
    That was intense.
  - __MatrixMan__ 5y ago
    Those can take a while to come back from, and are not always comfortable, but I've never regretted having gone through the exercise.
monktastic1 5y ago
Reminds me of this section from a fantastic trip report: "My hardcore materialist atheism was beginning to be challenged. But my identity was so solidly based on my materialist atheism that I soon attributed the entire experience to merely a "drug trip" with no meaning for my life! Perhaps the greatest lesson here is that. No matter what you experience, your identity can write it off as unreal if it conflicts with who you think you are." http://tafkajestdr.blogspot.com/2013/01/intro-to-tafka-jestdrs-journey.html http://tafkajestdr.blogspot.com/2013/01/intro-to-tafka-jestd...
- emerged 5y ago
  Isn’t it Bayesian? If you experience a few trips here and there, the sum amount of time spent in that version of reality is dwarfed by that of sober experience. So while those experiences do contribute to your understanding of reality, it’s unlikely to be dominated by it.
  - potatoman22 5y ago
    I think experiences should be weighted by their perceived importance -- and a large number of psychedelic users have reported a trip as being one of the most important events of their lives. However, I can't find the citation for this right now.
- high_5 5y ago
  Huh, sounds like Dana Scully.
aunty_helen 5y ago
Increase your dosage. Try climbing the ladder to a stronger experience. If you get to Bufo and your opinions are still in tact then settle on this.
- deleted 5y ago
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- klyrs 5y ago
  Ladders and hallucinogens do not mix
swayvil 5y ago
Ha ha. You just need to tear them down better. And psychedelics definitely have their limits. I recommend meditation. http://fleen.org/howto http://fleen.org/howto
sysalphUS 5y ago
That’s an interesting take about the walls. I’ve always thought of it more like pathways. There are certain pathways of thought and action that I tend to take on a daily basis. Those pathways get pretty well worn in which makes it all the more easier to continue taking those pathways even if they aren’t serving me well. Experimenting with psychedelics has been a great way of showing me that there are other pathways or even that I can pave my own, but in order to actually not go back to my old habits entirely afterwards and ways of thinking after the trip, I have to make a conscious effort into choosing to take the new pathways that I discovered on the trip. It’s not usually some big profound change, but I think that following some of those new paths and wearing them in has had a positive influence in my life in ways that can continue. With some of my more profound psychedelic experiences, I’ve found that there’s a little bit of an afterglow effect where for a couple days, I feel like the trip I had, that has since worn off, is still totally valid and profound and meaningful. That, I’d say, is the best time to start incorporating some new habits or practices (or maybe getting rid of some old baggage), before the walls start to go back up.
- bluSCALE4 5y ago
  You're absolutely right. And I did take some positive steps forward. It's just that for a brief moment after the trip, everything seemed manageable and any question seemed answerable. But then the feeling faded and my old being immediately clouded everything. To use your words, the old paths appeared.
joeberon 5y ago
That's why religions like Buddhism deconstructs those walls in the waking sober mind. Then the mind does not build them back up.

My experience has been that just as fast as the walls come down, the mind builds them back up.

nicolashahn 5y ago

sometimes, you can build different walls

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
and sometimes, when the walls came down, so did the roof, which ripped out the electrical supply, destroyed the plumbing and ruined all the floors. you don't have a house anymore, just a pile of disorganized raw material and you realize you don't know anything about house construction.
- toomanydoubts 5y ago
  That was intense.
- __MatrixMan__ 5y ago
  Those can take a while to come back from, and are not always comfortable, but I've never regretted having gone through the exercise.

monktastic1 5y ago

Reminds me of this section from a fantastic trip report: "My hardcore materialist atheism was beginning to be challenged. But my identity was so solidly based on my materialist atheism that I soon attributed the entire experience to merely a "drug trip" with no meaning for my life! Perhaps the greatest lesson here is that. No matter what you experience, your identity can write it off as unreal if it conflicts with who you think you are." http://tafkajestdr.blogspot.com/2013/01/intro-to-tafka-jestdrs-journey.html http://tafkajestdr.blogspot.com/2013/01/intro-to-tafka-jestd...

emerged 5y ago
Isn’t it Bayesian? If you experience a few trips here and there, the sum amount of time spent in that version of reality is dwarfed by that of sober experience. So while those experiences do contribute to your understanding of reality, it’s unlikely to be dominated by it.
- potatoman22 5y ago
  I think experiences should be weighted by their perceived importance -- and a large number of psychedelic users have reported a trip as being one of the most important events of their lives. However, I can't find the citation for this right now.
high_5 5y ago
Huh, sounds like Dana Scully.

aunty_helen 5y ago

Increase your dosage. Try climbing the ladder to a stronger experience. If you get to Bufo and your opinions are still in tact then settle on this.

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klyrs 5y ago
Ladders and hallucinogens do not mix

swayvil 5y ago

Ha ha. You just need to tear them down better. And psychedelics definitely have their limits. I recommend meditation. http://fleen.org/howto http://fleen.org/howto

sysalphUS 5y ago

That’s an interesting take about the walls. I’ve always thought of it more like pathways. There are certain pathways of thought and action that I tend to take on a daily basis. Those pathways get pretty well worn in which makes it all the more easier to continue taking those pathways even if they aren’t serving me well. Experimenting with psychedelics has been a great way of showing me that there are other pathways or even that I can pave my own, but in order to actually not go back to my old habits entirely afterwards and ways of thinking after the trip, I have to make a conscious effort into choosing to take the new pathways that I discovered on the trip. It’s not usually some big profound change, but I think that following some of those new paths and wearing them in has had a positive influence in my life in ways that can continue. With some of my more profound psychedelic experiences, I’ve found that there’s a little bit of an afterglow effect where for a couple days, I feel like the trip I had, that has since worn off, is still totally valid and profound and meaningful. That, I’d say, is the best time to start incorporating some new habits or practices (or maybe getting rid of some old baggage), before the walls start to go back up.

bluSCALE4 5y ago
You're absolutely right. And I did take some positive steps forward. It's just that for a brief moment after the trip, everything seemed manageable and any question seemed answerable. But then the feeling faded and my old being immediately clouded everything. To use your words, the old paths appeared.

joeberon 5y ago

That's why religions like Buddhism deconstructs those walls in the waking sober mind. Then the mind does not build them back up.