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Interview success can depend on how you schedule interviews

190 points by tanayagrawal19 5y ago

coffee 5y ago
Great thinking on this one! The problem is...that we need this level of creative thinking in the first place. We need hacks like this so that we can make it through a completely broken industries interviewing process.
elevanation 5y ago
While this is an interesting optimization strategy, getting and applying professional feedback for one's interview skills has a better ROI in my opinion. If you're amazing at interviews, the interviewer will remember you and want to hire you. They will even rave about you to their colleagues... "Hey, this person was awesome, we need to hire them." Accomplish that special human ability, and you don't have to worry about such micro-optimisations.
- tanayagrawal19 5y ago
  Absolutely agree!
- mojuba 5y ago
  Came to say the same thing. As a candidate you really don't control internal processes and I don't believe you can influence the scheduling much. If they like you (and you like them), everything will happen fast.
  - tanayagrawal19 5y ago
    I so wish this to be true! But it is not always the case. You as a candidate can power through the interviews(scheduling), get ahead of the line, and indeed influence decision making.
    - bgibbons 5y ago
      I think this is true to a certain point as it provides signal for high enthusiasm for a given role - huge plus if you meet all the other weightier requirements.
      - tanayagrawal19 5y ago
        Agreed
- lijogdfljk 5y ago
  Can you recommend how to go about this? It's the first i've heard of this strategy, and interviews are a big fear of mine. I would have assumed most of these "pay for feedback" things to be scams in one way or another. Thoughts?
  - mitchdoogle 5y ago
    Don't pay for feedback. Do some mock interviews with friend and family and ask them for feedback
  - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
    I have a side-business providing mock tech interviews with unlimited time for feedback. Contact me if you are interested (including "why is this random guy on HN qualified to provide this kind of service")
    - BirdieNZ 5y ago
      How can I go about contacting you if I were interested in your service?
      - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
        My email is in my profile now.
  - elevanation 5y ago
    For feedback, I would suggest people like a mentor, trusted friend who is a good communicator, or a paid professional resource. Full disclosure: I provide paid professional career mentorship and coaching. Contact info is in my profile. I know some people are opposed to hiring a paid resource, yet when I hired someone for myself, my career abilities and achievements increased much faster than before. And I still meet with a professional mentor regularly. Of course, both the compatibility and quality of the resource matter, so by all means talk with a few people until you find the right match for you. If CEOs, actors, athletes, and other pros hire someone to help, why shouldn't you?
- strikelaserclaw 5y ago
  The whole point of micro optimizations is to show interviewers your "best", if i did leetcode type problems after i eat lunch, i'm slow and my brain is foggy.
- UncleOxidant 5y ago
  > If you're amazing at interviews... Accomplish that special human ability "It's easy, you just..." Most of us are not amazing at interviews so telling people to be amazing at interviews isn't too helpful. Interview feedback tends to be pretty sparse. Often you don't hear anything back unless you got the job. Even if you do get a "no" response it will be light on details (and it's usually this way due to legal concerns). It's difficult to improve a skill when there's little or no feedback and what feedback you do get is vague.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    For sure. And I also am not sure I want to work at a place where being really good at interview skills is what gets people jobs. The correlation between "interviews well" and "collaborative, productive coworker" isn't very strong.
    - wbsss4412 5y ago
      Are you implying there is a negative correlation or no correlation? Unfortunately “being good at interviews” is generally what gets people jobs everywhere, so I’m not sure what point you’re making to begin with.
    - Kranar 5y ago
      Definitely has not been my experience. People who interview well are generally excellent communicators and communication is of utmost importance when working with a team.
      - Zancarius 5y ago
        This was my thought as well. Also, generally being likeable makes a positive impact on people. Teams would much rather someone they feel they can work well with than someone who is going to be a total stick in the mud and drag everyone down.
    - mitchdoogle 5y ago
      How are you determining your lack of correlation ? Is there data on this somewhere? Because I would assume that people who study and prepare for the interview are more likely to be studious and prepared in other aspects of life, including their workplace.
hdesh 5y ago
> Schedule subsequent interview rounds close to each other Pre-covid, if you were not from the bay area, this happened naturally. You just tell the companies that you are traveling in the bay area in a given time frame and would like to schedule your interviews in that period. Not sure if post-covid it has become simpler.
- tanayagrawal19 5y ago
  Ah, I see! I guess this is more relevant to covid/post-covid times then due to the virtual nature of interviews. I did all my interviewing in the second half of 2020, and I had majority of interviews taking 3-4 weeks, which was a lot! I was even rejected a couple of times as the company just hired someone else and I hadn't even finished my interviews :/
lordnacho 5y ago
It's pretty tough to follow these rules. Mornings only gives you half the time. All rounds at once and as soon as possible would also mean you got in touch with all the recruiters at once and they got back to you promptly. In practice you more likely to see a steady drip as you ramp up your search. Some recruiters get back fast, some slowly. There's no real way you can control this other than giving some feedback as you progress so that firms that you like will hurry up a bit and firms that are your backup can be held a bit.
- jacurtis 5y ago
  Yes these ideas are all certainly valid concepts about interviewing. But it would be nearly impossible to optimize for all of them. Furthermore, some really are impossible. For example #2 is to schedule interviews in cohorts. I tried to follow this in my most recent job hunt and it is truly impossible. The problem is that some jobs I would go through a phone screen and hear back later that day or the next morning in order to schedule another interview. Some companies will wait a week to get back to you. Others are 3-4 days. As just one example, I interviewed with a large tech company and they were the first ones to actually offer me an initial interview. I went through 3 stages of interviews with them and had the 4th stage scheduled when I canceled because i had already received multiple job offers from other companies, which I had applied to several weeks after them. In tech a lot of these are easier because you have a lot more power over the interview process if your job skill is one of the in-demand ones. In my interview process I really could bend most of the companies to meet my needs and to move faster than they planned for. But that is a fortunate position to be in. I am watching my sister go through job interviews right now for HR related jobs and the process is completely different. I was going through a 3-4 stage interview process in 1.5-2 weeks. My sister was waiting 2-3 weeks between individual interview stages. In my interviews I could tell people that I want to accept an offer in 2 weeks, so they need to speed up and they would do it for me. If my sister said that in her HR interviews, they would simply disqualify her. So count your blessings if you are in tech. Sure, we get to complain about take-home interview projects and technical interviews. But we can get jobs within weeks (or even a week) that pay 2-4 times what other people are getting after months-long interview processes. So consider ourselves fortunate.
MarketingJason 5y ago
> You should avoid scheduling interviews post-lunch Interesting opinion when weighed against studies like PNAS' famous parole decision study that found morning and right after lunch were the most favorable rulings: https://www.pnas.org/content/108/17/6889 https://www.pnas.org/content/108/17/6889
- hyperpape 5y ago
  It seems unlikely that this study reflects the effects of hunger: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14701328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14701328.
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    No, hunger is an important cause of the result. The anticipated effects of hunger are the reason that open-and-shut cases are scheduled right before lunch. The problem is that the researchers were eager to conclude that hunger can influence case outcomes, and unable to consider the possibility that hunger can influence case scheduling.
- wppick 5y ago
  Schedule it right before lunch and finish early. The interviewer will have a positive imprint of you in their lizard brain since you gave them earlier access to their food. Plus your interview will be followed up with the dopamine and please of their meal/break, which might boost their memory of you as well.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    this is exactly opposite of what you should do, if the study is to be believed: "They found that the likelihood of a favourable ruling peaked at the beginning of the day, steadily declining over time from a probability of about 65% to nearly zero, before spiking back up to about 65% after a break for a meal or snack."
neosat 5y ago
While interview success "can" depend on these, along with 100s of other factors, these are most likely not the principal contributing factors to interview success on average. So, sure, if you've got the principal factors figured out, optimize to this level, but if not, your energy will be far better spent elsewhere (e.g. understanding the most likely asked questions for a company, and the framework they evaluate on, ensuring you're communicating well (verbal & non-verbal) )
- tanayagrawal19 5y ago
  100%
slg 5y ago
Doesn't the first rule conflict with all the other rules? Rule 1: get through the process as quickly as possible. Rule 2-5: slow down the process by putting these specific restrictions on when to schedule your interviews.
zebnyc 5y ago
I have a few as well: - You will face rejection (likely a lot). Don't take this personally and don't let it affect your confidence. - Unless you are an outstanding interviewee, this is like a skill/muscle which you need to develop and practice. Hence ensure that you don't schedule your "dream job/company" early in the process. Keep practicing. - Always have a beginner / practice mindset. Otherwise, you will accept the first (suboptimal) offer that you get as you will hate the interview rigmarole. Interviewing is annoying / painful. Accept it and work through it. - Keep applying and talking to companies even after you have started negotiations. There have been companies which have told me that another candidate accepted before me( and hence the position is no longer available) even when they have "granted me time" to make my decision. Similarly companies rescind offers. - Blowing hot(too many interviews in a short while) and cold (no interviews / interviews for a while) can be debilitating to your confidence. Hence ensure that you have a pipeline of interviews so you are talking to at least 1 company a week. - Take notes and reflect on your performance in each interview and how you can do better.
- tanayagrawal19 5y ago
  This is super valuable! Thank you for sharing :)
- jbluepolarbear 5y ago
  I’ve interviewed many candidates and I’ve interviewed many times myself. Having good conversation skills is the single biggest influence on whether a candidate proceeds or not. Talking is a skill and that really stands out against other candidates. When I’m interviewing, I’ll usually choose a stronger communicator over a stronger engineer.
  - colmvp 5y ago
    Isn't that kind of odd? I've worked with software engineers who are good talkers but their code and problem solving skills leave something to be desired. Meanwhile, I've worked with guys who took a while to get comfortable with in terms of having conversations and yet they were some of the most productive members of the team both in code output and skill. Ultimately, most of the time I 'talk' with my team members, we're actually writing which is very different from talking due to the async nature of the former.
chiefalchemist 5y ago
The #1 Rule of Thumb I've read and used is: try to be as close to last as possible. The point being, you want to be fresh in their minds. Going early is not the way to do that.
- chrisBob 5y ago
  Some places are interviewing for a single open role, conduct all interviews and then make a decision from that candidate pool. Being towards the end might be an advantage in that case. Other places open up several new roles, and conduct rolling interviews until all are filled. In this case I would rather get in early and compete for one of N positions instead of competing for the final one. With several similar roles open they could also decide which fits you the best and make the offer based on that. When there is only one junior position still open, that might be the only option.
  - tanayagrawal19 5y ago
    This!
  - chiefalchemist 5y ago
    Well, yeah. It works for A role. It wouldn't make sense to wait too long if there was a bunch. That said, at some point there's a decision to be made. The older their memory of you at that point, the more forgettable you are.
daxfohl 5y ago
I disagree with not scheduling before holidays. If I like a candidate I'm not going to forget about that just because of a holiday. The first person that makes a good impression almost always has an advantage IMO. The hiring manager will remember that person, and human psychology makes your memory of that interview better than it actually was. So for someone to unseat you they have to do significantly better. (And obviously the reverse goes if you are among the last to interview). I think recency bias would only into play if the first couple successful candidates reject their offers or something. Most important is to get your resume in early though. After spending that first weekend with the mind-numbing task of sifting through hundreds of resumes, a hiring manager is only going to look at new ones if absolutely nothing works out from the first batch.
- lnanek2 5y ago
  As an American, I totally feel the same. But working with some of my European counterparts, they can just totally disappear for a month or two when they vacation, like into a black hole. They just take vacations more seriously. If one of them was a decider for a hiring decision, we definitely wouldn't hear back from them until after. Not anything good or bad about it, it's just a different culture.
  - decebalus1 5y ago
    On a tangent, I'm an American and I disappear for a month when I take vacation. It probably has something to do with the fact that I was born in Europe or with getting tired of half-assing vacations and getting burned out. I'd like for 'black hole' vacations to be normalized in the American workplace. I'm doing my part!
    - conductr 5y ago
      I'm an American and do this too. Also, I don't take work home. I leave my laptop at work. It's a signal I do on purpose and I regularly talk about my life balance priorities. I don't mind working long hours during projects or busy times but I like to keep it in the office. So long as it's infrequent, couple times a year, something may totally blow up and I'll just go into the office on the weekend. If I'm out of town or not physically able to make it, well that means I can't physically pull out my laptop and dive into my work regardless of my location. I consider that a "not my problem" situation. I've found, if you give in to the instant responsiveness and availability, it becomes expectation. I'm mid-career and have done that, but at this point I go into jobs setting my terms and don't mind telling a C level or BOD member they can wait until I get back in the office. I don't even do that usually because I just don't respond outside of regular hours. It's not for everyone, and I may someday alter this, but I find it suites me at the moment. I have a young child and I'm not jumping on calls/emails/texting during our already limited time together. It works just fine but if I were to do this at a junior level it would have been career suicide. My experience is what has given me the leverage to demand my work style.
darth_avocado 5y ago
Great ideas, they don’t work. 1. Mornings only is impossible because a lot of interviewer availability is in the afternoon since for a lot of them, it’s an unproductive task 2. Batching sounds good, but doesn’t work because different companies move at different paces and you almost always can’t batch them. You’d be lucky if you could batch 2 onsites back to back. 3. You may not be able to batch subsequent rounds together because you sometimes may not hear back on time 4. Most important of all, none of this takes into account that you already may be working a demanding job that you cant take time off from that easily
- hooloovoo_zoo 5y ago
  I wouldn't take 1 too seriously anyway. There's some evidence for instance that judges are harsher before lunch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_judge_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_judge_effect.
  - db65edfc7996 5y ago
    This is considered dubious [0]. [0] https://nautil.us/blog/impossibly-hungry-judges https://nautil.us/blog/impossibly-hungry-judges
    - throwaway8329 5y ago
      It's very unfortunate to see the parent has been down-voted for linking the Wikipedia page for an article which has over 1,000 citations - mind you citations are a key metric for the credibility of science, for good and for worse. The science is not debunked by a blog post on nautil.us. If the author is very sure of their argument then it would be of greater scientific merit for them to review the original data and other data, and report the fact of the data not matching what was reported in the original study, as well as proposing their own hypothesis for future work. But the author's blog post claims an ad-absurdum proof, while ignoring that their proof doesn't extend to the difference in height between 21 year old males and females, despite that being cited as being an equivalent effect size. It's this kind of thing that means cited scientific work appears in the Wikipedia article, and Nautilus blog posts do not. Edit: dis-disclosure I have nothing to do with the person who wrote the parent comment, just an observer
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
The biggest one that I always forget: don't schedule somewhere you really care about first. I make this mistake when I look because it's the place i'm really interested in that convinces me to start looking in the first place. But then I'm super rusty and do worse than everywhere else.
- version_five 5y ago
  Yes this is very important. If possible (and people have already said this is hard), having an interview you don't care about shortly before one you do care about is a great way to warm up. Especially if it's been a while. Some time ago, I switched careers and did a bunch of temporally close interviews. Once I got going, overall I was performing as good as I could, because I'd lost a lot of the anxiety and was practiced and comfortable. Now, if I do a one-of, I'm nervous, and I'm trying to explain myself out loud for the first time, it comes out much worse.
mushufasa 5y ago
Batching is especially helpful when raising money from investors, to put together a competitive deal.
wppick 5y ago
An interview is decided in the first several seconds. First impressions are a real thing. Most interviewers will decide based on how you look, act, and talk whether you are going to pass the interview, and they will confirmation bias you into their predetermined decision. Of course with an amazing interview performance you can switch a predetermined no into a yes, and with a very poor interview you can turn a predetermined yes into a no. Why do you think the first question most interviewers ask is something vague and useless like "tell me about yourself"? That question is the real interview. There is also the reality that when companies need to fill a role, and when first start interviewing they will set the bar way too high and reject some perfectly qualified candidates. After the interview process has dragged on for some time they will eventually decide that enough is enough and will hire the next candidate that shows basic competence (or just hire someone's friend). BTW, one solution to this I recall being suggested by Eric Schmidt is to use a hiring committee among other things
- foobarian 5y ago
  I don't know what line of work you are in, but this is decidedly not true in mine. It's skewed toward candidates making an excellent first impression but then failing, instead of the other way around.
  - wppick 5y ago
    I can't find the original article that discussed the confirmation bias effect, but this one is close: https://www.plum.io/blog/the-issue-with-the-interview-confirmation-bias https://www.plum.io/blog/the-issue-with-the-interview-confir...
    - foobarian 5y ago
      Gotcha. I think I was mostly objecting to the first several words of your comment saying an interview is decided in the first several seconds :-) I'm familiar with that feeling though. I've had several interviews where I really (subjectively) liked the candidate, and really wanted them to succeed - but having a prepared interview plan ended up doing its job and helped determine that the candidate was not a good match for the role.
sombremesa 5y ago
Just an FYI, this is written by a PM, likely in reference to PM interviews.
roland35 5y ago
I am pretty heavily involved with interviewing and here is my take for what it's worth: - Yes try to schedule ASAP, although it gets so complicated lining up availability I don't think it is possible to aim for mornings vs afternoons. - Try to read between the lines in the job listing. How does it align with the company's goals/growth? What aspects seem important? Try to focus on that. Example: I noticed company ABC is hiring a few hardware engineers for the first time. I would highlight how I can work independantly and my skills in building a new hardware team - Be enthusiastic about things besides the tech stack. I am surprised how many people I interview who don't seem to care much about the job beyond if we use Java vs Python. - Just be yourself...
duxup 5y ago
The author and others must be much more in demand than I am. I don’t find that I get to dictate interview scheduling a great deal. But then again I haven’t interviewed in a while.
- evan_ 5y ago
  The round of interviews I just completed, everyone I talked to sent me a link to their calendar and asked me to pick my own time to meet. Even for the longer onsite interviews I provided times I was available and they scheduled within those. I don’t know if that’s just a remote thing or what.
rkk3 5y ago
meh kind of another fluff content marketing piece making unsubstantiated generalizations, but to raise brand awareness about a PM rather than a vc firm etc. > Just like you interview with multiple companies and choose between multiple offers, companies also interview multiple candidates for the same role. Duh. So if you are interviewing with a company, assume that you are interviewing with a pool of candidates. Sure, but here is an opposite take, maybe you should delay your interview rounds as long as possible. Hiring managers can be hesitant to extend an offer before having fully explored their options. If your candidacy is evaluated at the end of the cohort the hiring manager might feel more pressure to extend an offer to keep their headcount.
sesuximo 5y ago
9am is the _worst_ time. If you get a night owl interviewer, you’re probably making them wake up early…
e-clinton 5y ago
When interviewing remotely, move further away from the camera so you don’t appear as a floating head. Showing more of your torso allows you to use your more of your body to communicate.
commiefornian 5y ago
This might depend on the field. But for the most part, you want to interview as soon as they can and if they have multiple rounds (phone, meet a manager, meet the team) you want to do them as quickly as reasonably possible. They have a position open, they want to fill it, if they hire you quickly, there will be no more competition. They don't want to interview any more people than they have to, so if you're right for the job, they'll hire you fairly quickly. If they aren't willing to schedule your interview fairly quickly, they aren't particularly motivated to fill the position (or have other candidates that they consider higher priority) and might not be worth your time. When interviewing, remember that the interview is a two way street. Try to figure out what the job really is (the hr who posted position and phone screen people likely know much less about the actual job than the interviewers). If after finding out the details, you are genuinely interested in what they do and what you would do in the position, it'll keep the tone positive, even if you struggle. An underqualified, but motivated, candidate is much more interesting than a highly qualified but apathetic candidate. Also, by keeping the interview as a conversation (trying to figure out if/how their questions relate to what they job is), you might get glimpses of feedback on how you're doing that you will almost certainly never get directly. This should help get you an idea of if it is going to be a good place to work or not. If possible, show usages rather than tell qualifications. Rather than saying you can do X, tell a 10 second elevator pitch style story about how you've done it before. Try to have something to say about anything on your resume. They should come out confident that anything you claimed on it was actually you, not just "your team". If they ask about something you are weak in, admit it, and try to see how they use it and try to offer related experience that shows you understand and are willing and able to learn it. They don't really expect to find a candidate that knows everything, but if you can demonstrate that you are familiar with the space enough to learn it, they'll be more willing to give you a pass. If you totally fail at the interview but are genuinely interested and show the ability to learn it, you still have a chance. If you show disinterest or get defensive (rather than motivated) when challenged, they won't want to hire you. If it isn't a good fit in your mind and you'd be looking for something better the day you start, be honest with yourself and them, thank them for their time and let them know that it isn't what you thought it was. A gracious interviewee who doesn't waste their time, may get called back if they have a position that better matches your interests (perhaps even if that interviewer moves to another company). If you accept a job and leave it fairly quickly, that's a big red flag and future employers will likely check that company for references.
awillen 5y ago
My driver's ed teacher gave me three pieces of advice: 1. Don't schedule your driving test right before lunch. 2. Don't schedule your driving test on a Friday afternoon. 3. Don't schedule your driving test on your birthday. The first two were about not getting the interviewer at a time when they really have somewhere else they want to be. The last one was because it sucks if you schedule it on your sixteenth birthday and fail.
MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
The best ticket I've found is make it seem like you're unavailable and put in little effort unless they put in effort. Be honest and bold. Make it seem like you are a go getter, not someone waiting for tasks. Being slightly unavailable but establishing the qualifications makes you seem like you're someone they can't afford to lose. I have stopped trying to impress people. I've been dropped by a company during interviews just cause I asked too many questions about what they code and how many people would be on the team. I guess they didn't like the fact that I wanted to know what to expect day one...they had some stupid dress code too. Like borderline Mad Men-esque. The kicker was too, they were some company in rural wisconsin. Talk about a controlling corporate culture. They're lucky if they can even FIND a college educated something!
FactoryReboot 5y ago
“Mornings are the best time to schedule interviews as both you and the interviewer are fresh in their heads and there is no mental fatigue.” I get night owls generally get the short end of the stick. However, we are practically half the population. It’s a strange kind of irk to have someone tell me what hours I’m most productive at.
ram_rar 5y ago
This works well for a junior eng working in a big company where your absence may not be noticed that much. Once you get to senior/principle level working on critical projects (you'll know based on the refreshers/comp). It's really hard to pull these off. The biggest issue is to maintain balance. Once I am checked out of the job, then moving on the new company is the only way out. So, one becomes a bit desperate especially if the management kinda knows that you're not giving your best anymore. Holidays/Q4 is one of the best times to interview, since you get breathing space from your work and get more free time to schedule interviews right before holidays and then, post holidays you're ready to kick off your new job.
zerocount 5y ago
I think these are good points. Some of these really speak to the subjectivity of interviewing. I'm currently interviewing for software development roles and it just seems like a lot of luck is involved, good or bad. Uber ghosted me a week ago after the recruiter missed our appointment. A few weeks before that, I completed a week long 'test project' and haven't heard back from them. For such a technical field, there's too much bullshit involved in finding a job.

Great thinking on this one! The problem is...that we need this level of creative thinking in the first place. We need hacks like this so that we can make it through a completely broken industries interviewing process.

elevanation 5y ago

While this is an interesting optimization strategy, getting and applying professional feedback for one's interview skills has a better ROI in my opinion. If you're amazing at interviews, the interviewer will remember you and want to hire you. They will even rave about you to their colleagues... "Hey, this person was awesome, we need to hire them." Accomplish that special human ability, and you don't have to worry about such micro-optimisations.

tanayagrawal19 5y ago
Absolutely agree!
mojuba 5y ago
Came to say the same thing. As a candidate you really don't control internal processes and I don't believe you can influence the scheduling much. If they like you (and you like them), everything will happen fast.
- tanayagrawal19 5y ago
  I so wish this to be true! But it is not always the case. You as a candidate can power through the interviews(scheduling), get ahead of the line, and indeed influence decision making.
  - bgibbons 5y ago
    I think this is true to a certain point as it provides signal for high enthusiasm for a given role - huge plus if you meet all the other weightier requirements.
    - tanayagrawal19 5y ago
      Agreed
lijogdfljk 5y ago
Can you recommend how to go about this? It's the first i've heard of this strategy, and interviews are a big fear of mine. I would have assumed most of these "pay for feedback" things to be scams in one way or another. Thoughts?
- mitchdoogle 5y ago
  Don't pay for feedback. Do some mock interviews with friend and family and ask them for feedback
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  I have a side-business providing mock tech interviews with unlimited time for feedback. Contact me if you are interested (including "why is this random guy on HN qualified to provide this kind of service")
  - BirdieNZ 5y ago
    How can I go about contacting you if I were interested in your service?
    - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
      My email is in my profile now.
- elevanation 5y ago
  For feedback, I would suggest people like a mentor, trusted friend who is a good communicator, or a paid professional resource. Full disclosure: I provide paid professional career mentorship and coaching. Contact info is in my profile. I know some people are opposed to hiring a paid resource, yet when I hired someone for myself, my career abilities and achievements increased much faster than before. And I still meet with a professional mentor regularly. Of course, both the compatibility and quality of the resource matter, so by all means talk with a few people until you find the right match for you. If CEOs, actors, athletes, and other pros hire someone to help, why shouldn't you?
strikelaserclaw 5y ago
The whole point of micro optimizations is to show interviewers your "best", if i did leetcode type problems after i eat lunch, i'm slow and my brain is foggy.
UncleOxidant 5y ago
> If you're amazing at interviews... Accomplish that special human ability "It's easy, you just..." Most of us are not amazing at interviews so telling people to be amazing at interviews isn't too helpful. Interview feedback tends to be pretty sparse. Often you don't hear anything back unless you got the job. Even if you do get a "no" response it will be light on details (and it's usually this way due to legal concerns). It's difficult to improve a skill when there's little or no feedback and what feedback you do get is vague.
- wpietri 5y ago
  For sure. And I also am not sure I want to work at a place where being really good at interview skills is what gets people jobs. The correlation between "interviews well" and "collaborative, productive coworker" isn't very strong.
  - wbsss4412 5y ago
    Are you implying there is a negative correlation or no correlation? Unfortunately “being good at interviews” is generally what gets people jobs everywhere, so I’m not sure what point you’re making to begin with.
  - Kranar 5y ago
    Definitely has not been my experience. People who interview well are generally excellent communicators and communication is of utmost importance when working with a team.
    - Zancarius 5y ago
      This was my thought as well. Also, generally being likeable makes a positive impact on people. Teams would much rather someone they feel they can work well with than someone who is going to be a total stick in the mud and drag everyone down.
  - mitchdoogle 5y ago
    How are you determining your lack of correlation ? Is there data on this somewhere? Because I would assume that people who study and prepare for the interview are more likely to be studious and prepared in other aspects of life, including their workplace.

hdesh 5y ago

> Schedule subsequent interview rounds close to each other Pre-covid, if you were not from the bay area, this happened naturally. You just tell the companies that you are traveling in the bay area in a given time frame and would like to schedule your interviews in that period. Not sure if post-covid it has become simpler.

tanayagrawal19 5y ago
Ah, I see! I guess this is more relevant to covid/post-covid times then due to the virtual nature of interviews. I did all my interviewing in the second half of 2020, and I had majority of interviews taking 3-4 weeks, which was a lot! I was even rejected a couple of times as the company just hired someone else and I hadn't even finished my interviews :/

lordnacho 5y ago

It's pretty tough to follow these rules. Mornings only gives you half the time. All rounds at once and as soon as possible would also mean you got in touch with all the recruiters at once and they got back to you promptly. In practice you more likely to see a steady drip as you ramp up your search. Some recruiters get back fast, some slowly. There's no real way you can control this other than giving some feedback as you progress so that firms that you like will hurry up a bit and firms that are your backup can be held a bit.

jacurtis 5y ago
Yes these ideas are all certainly valid concepts about interviewing. But it would be nearly impossible to optimize for all of them. Furthermore, some really are impossible. For example #2 is to schedule interviews in cohorts. I tried to follow this in my most recent job hunt and it is truly impossible. The problem is that some jobs I would go through a phone screen and hear back later that day or the next morning in order to schedule another interview. Some companies will wait a week to get back to you. Others are 3-4 days. As just one example, I interviewed with a large tech company and they were the first ones to actually offer me an initial interview. I went through 3 stages of interviews with them and had the 4th stage scheduled when I canceled because i had already received multiple job offers from other companies, which I had applied to several weeks after them. In tech a lot of these are easier because you have a lot more power over the interview process if your job skill is one of the in-demand ones. In my interview process I really could bend most of the companies to meet my needs and to move faster than they planned for. But that is a fortunate position to be in. I am watching my sister go through job interviews right now for HR related jobs and the process is completely different. I was going through a 3-4 stage interview process in 1.5-2 weeks. My sister was waiting 2-3 weeks between individual interview stages. In my interviews I could tell people that I want to accept an offer in 2 weeks, so they need to speed up and they would do it for me. If my sister said that in her HR interviews, they would simply disqualify her. So count your blessings if you are in tech. Sure, we get to complain about take-home interview projects and technical interviews. But we can get jobs within weeks (or even a week) that pay 2-4 times what other people are getting after months-long interview processes. So consider ourselves fortunate.

MarketingJason 5y ago

> You should avoid scheduling interviews post-lunch Interesting opinion when weighed against studies like PNAS' famous parole decision study that found morning and right after lunch were the most favorable rulings: https://www.pnas.org/content/108/17/6889 https://www.pnas.org/content/108/17/6889

hyperpape 5y ago
It seems unlikely that this study reflects the effects of hunger: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14701328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14701328.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  No, hunger is an important cause of the result. The anticipated effects of hunger are the reason that open-and-shut cases are scheduled right before lunch. The problem is that the researchers were eager to conclude that hunger can influence case outcomes, and unable to consider the possibility that hunger can influence case scheduling.
wppick 5y ago
Schedule it right before lunch and finish early. The interviewer will have a positive imprint of you in their lizard brain since you gave them earlier access to their food. Plus your interview will be followed up with the dopamine and please of their meal/break, which might boost their memory of you as well.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  this is exactly opposite of what you should do, if the study is to be believed: "They found that the likelihood of a favourable ruling peaked at the beginning of the day, steadily declining over time from a probability of about 65% to nearly zero, before spiking back up to about 65% after a break for a meal or snack."

neosat 5y ago

While interview success "can" depend on these, along with 100s of other factors, these are most likely not the principal contributing factors to interview success on average. So, sure, if you've got the principal factors figured out, optimize to this level, but if not, your energy will be far better spent elsewhere (e.g. understanding the most likely asked questions for a company, and the framework they evaluate on, ensuring you're communicating well (verbal & non-verbal) )

tanayagrawal19 5y ago
100%

slg 5y ago

Doesn't the first rule conflict with all the other rules? Rule 1: get through the process as quickly as possible. Rule 2-5: slow down the process by putting these specific restrictions on when to schedule your interviews.

zebnyc 5y ago

I have a few as well: - You will face rejection (likely a lot). Don't take this personally and don't let it affect your confidence. - Unless you are an outstanding interviewee, this is like a skill/muscle which you need to develop and practice. Hence ensure that you don't schedule your "dream job/company" early in the process. Keep practicing. - Always have a beginner / practice mindset. Otherwise, you will accept the first (suboptimal) offer that you get as you will hate the interview rigmarole. Interviewing is annoying / painful. Accept it and work through it. - Keep applying and talking to companies even after you have started negotiations. There have been companies which have told me that another candidate accepted before me( and hence the position is no longer available) even when they have "granted me time" to make my decision. Similarly companies rescind offers. - Blowing hot(too many interviews in a short while) and cold (no interviews / interviews for a while) can be debilitating to your confidence. Hence ensure that you have a pipeline of interviews so you are talking to at least 1 company a week. - Take notes and reflect on your performance in each interview and how you can do better.

tanayagrawal19 5y ago
This is super valuable! Thank you for sharing :)
jbluepolarbear 5y ago
I’ve interviewed many candidates and I’ve interviewed many times myself. Having good conversation skills is the single biggest influence on whether a candidate proceeds or not. Talking is a skill and that really stands out against other candidates. When I’m interviewing, I’ll usually choose a stronger communicator over a stronger engineer.
- colmvp 5y ago
  Isn't that kind of odd? I've worked with software engineers who are good talkers but their code and problem solving skills leave something to be desired. Meanwhile, I've worked with guys who took a while to get comfortable with in terms of having conversations and yet they were some of the most productive members of the team both in code output and skill. Ultimately, most of the time I 'talk' with my team members, we're actually writing which is very different from talking due to the async nature of the former.

chiefalchemist 5y ago

The #1 Rule of Thumb I've read and used is: try to be as close to last as possible. The point being, you want to be fresh in their minds. Going early is not the way to do that.

chrisBob 5y ago
Some places are interviewing for a single open role, conduct all interviews and then make a decision from that candidate pool. Being towards the end might be an advantage in that case. Other places open up several new roles, and conduct rolling interviews until all are filled. In this case I would rather get in early and compete for one of N positions instead of competing for the final one. With several similar roles open they could also decide which fits you the best and make the offer based on that. When there is only one junior position still open, that might be the only option.
- tanayagrawal19 5y ago
  This!
- chiefalchemist 5y ago
  Well, yeah. It works for A role. It wouldn't make sense to wait too long if there was a bunch. That said, at some point there's a decision to be made. The older their memory of you at that point, the more forgettable you are.

daxfohl 5y ago

I disagree with not scheduling before holidays. If I like a candidate I'm not going to forget about that just because of a holiday. The first person that makes a good impression almost always has an advantage IMO. The hiring manager will remember that person, and human psychology makes your memory of that interview better than it actually was. So for someone to unseat you they have to do significantly better. (And obviously the reverse goes if you are among the last to interview). I think recency bias would only into play if the first couple successful candidates reject their offers or something. Most important is to get your resume in early though. After spending that first weekend with the mind-numbing task of sifting through hundreds of resumes, a hiring manager is only going to look at new ones if absolutely nothing works out from the first batch.

lnanek2 5y ago
As an American, I totally feel the same. But working with some of my European counterparts, they can just totally disappear for a month or two when they vacation, like into a black hole. They just take vacations more seriously. If one of them was a decider for a hiring decision, we definitely wouldn't hear back from them until after. Not anything good or bad about it, it's just a different culture.
- decebalus1 5y ago
  On a tangent, I'm an American and I disappear for a month when I take vacation. It probably has something to do with the fact that I was born in Europe or with getting tired of half-assing vacations and getting burned out. I'd like for 'black hole' vacations to be normalized in the American workplace. I'm doing my part!
  - conductr 5y ago
    I'm an American and do this too. Also, I don't take work home. I leave my laptop at work. It's a signal I do on purpose and I regularly talk about my life balance priorities. I don't mind working long hours during projects or busy times but I like to keep it in the office. So long as it's infrequent, couple times a year, something may totally blow up and I'll just go into the office on the weekend. If I'm out of town or not physically able to make it, well that means I can't physically pull out my laptop and dive into my work regardless of my location. I consider that a "not my problem" situation. I've found, if you give in to the instant responsiveness and availability, it becomes expectation. I'm mid-career and have done that, but at this point I go into jobs setting my terms and don't mind telling a C level or BOD member they can wait until I get back in the office. I don't even do that usually because I just don't respond outside of regular hours. It's not for everyone, and I may someday alter this, but I find it suites me at the moment. I have a young child and I'm not jumping on calls/emails/texting during our already limited time together. It works just fine but if I were to do this at a junior level it would have been career suicide. My experience is what has given me the leverage to demand my work style.

darth_avocado 5y ago

Great ideas, they don’t work. 1. Mornings only is impossible because a lot of interviewer availability is in the afternoon since for a lot of them, it’s an unproductive task 2. Batching sounds good, but doesn’t work because different companies move at different paces and you almost always can’t batch them. You’d be lucky if you could batch 2 onsites back to back. 3. You may not be able to batch subsequent rounds together because you sometimes may not hear back on time 4. Most important of all, none of this takes into account that you already may be working a demanding job that you cant take time off from that easily

hooloovoo_zoo 5y ago
I wouldn't take 1 too seriously anyway. There's some evidence for instance that judges are harsher before lunch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_judge_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_judge_effect.
- db65edfc7996 5y ago
  This is considered dubious [0]. [0] https://nautil.us/blog/impossibly-hungry-judges https://nautil.us/blog/impossibly-hungry-judges
  - throwaway8329 5y ago
    It's very unfortunate to see the parent has been down-voted for linking the Wikipedia page for an article which has over 1,000 citations - mind you citations are a key metric for the credibility of science, for good and for worse. The science is not debunked by a blog post on nautil.us. If the author is very sure of their argument then it would be of greater scientific merit for them to review the original data and other data, and report the fact of the data not matching what was reported in the original study, as well as proposing their own hypothesis for future work. But the author's blog post claims an ad-absurdum proof, while ignoring that their proof doesn't extend to the difference in height between 21 year old males and females, despite that being cited as being an equivalent effect size. It's this kind of thing that means cited scientific work appears in the Wikipedia article, and Nautilus blog posts do not. Edit: dis-disclosure I have nothing to do with the person who wrote the parent comment, just an observer

6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago

The biggest one that I always forget: don't schedule somewhere you really care about first. I make this mistake when I look because it's the place i'm really interested in that convinces me to start looking in the first place. But then I'm super rusty and do worse than everywhere else.

version_five 5y ago
Yes this is very important. If possible (and people have already said this is hard), having an interview you don't care about shortly before one you do care about is a great way to warm up. Especially if it's been a while. Some time ago, I switched careers and did a bunch of temporally close interviews. Once I got going, overall I was performing as good as I could, because I'd lost a lot of the anxiety and was practiced and comfortable. Now, if I do a one-of, I'm nervous, and I'm trying to explain myself out loud for the first time, it comes out much worse.

mushufasa 5y ago

Batching is especially helpful when raising money from investors, to put together a competitive deal.

wppick 5y ago

An interview is decided in the first several seconds. First impressions are a real thing. Most interviewers will decide based on how you look, act, and talk whether you are going to pass the interview, and they will confirmation bias you into their predetermined decision. Of course with an amazing interview performance you can switch a predetermined no into a yes, and with a very poor interview you can turn a predetermined yes into a no. Why do you think the first question most interviewers ask is something vague and useless like "tell me about yourself"? That question is the real interview. There is also the reality that when companies need to fill a role, and when first start interviewing they will set the bar way too high and reject some perfectly qualified candidates. After the interview process has dragged on for some time they will eventually decide that enough is enough and will hire the next candidate that shows basic competence (or just hire someone's friend). BTW, one solution to this I recall being suggested by Eric Schmidt is to use a hiring committee among other things

foobarian 5y ago
I don't know what line of work you are in, but this is decidedly not true in mine. It's skewed toward candidates making an excellent first impression but then failing, instead of the other way around.
- wppick 5y ago
  I can't find the original article that discussed the confirmation bias effect, but this one is close: https://www.plum.io/blog/the-issue-with-the-interview-confirmation-bias https://www.plum.io/blog/the-issue-with-the-interview-confir...
  - foobarian 5y ago
    Gotcha. I think I was mostly objecting to the first several words of your comment saying an interview is decided in the first several seconds :-) I'm familiar with that feeling though. I've had several interviews where I really (subjectively) liked the candidate, and really wanted them to succeed - but having a prepared interview plan ended up doing its job and helped determine that the candidate was not a good match for the role.

sombremesa 5y ago

Just an FYI, this is written by a PM, likely in reference to PM interviews.

roland35 5y ago

I am pretty heavily involved with interviewing and here is my take for what it's worth: - Yes try to schedule ASAP, although it gets so complicated lining up availability I don't think it is possible to aim for mornings vs afternoons. - Try to read between the lines in the job listing. How does it align with the company's goals/growth? What aspects seem important? Try to focus on that. Example: I noticed company ABC is hiring a few hardware engineers for the first time. I would highlight how I can work independantly and my skills in building a new hardware team - Be enthusiastic about things besides the tech stack. I am surprised how many people I interview who don't seem to care much about the job beyond if we use Java vs Python. - Just be yourself...

duxup 5y ago

The author and others must be much more in demand than I am. I don’t find that I get to dictate interview scheduling a great deal. But then again I haven’t interviewed in a while.

evan_ 5y ago
The round of interviews I just completed, everyone I talked to sent me a link to their calendar and asked me to pick my own time to meet. Even for the longer onsite interviews I provided times I was available and they scheduled within those. I don’t know if that’s just a remote thing or what.

rkk3 5y ago

meh kind of another fluff content marketing piece making unsubstantiated generalizations, but to raise brand awareness about a PM rather than a vc firm etc. > Just like you interview with multiple companies and choose between multiple offers, companies also interview multiple candidates for the same role. Duh. So if you are interviewing with a company, assume that you are interviewing with a pool of candidates. Sure, but here is an opposite take, maybe you should delay your interview rounds as long as possible. Hiring managers can be hesitant to extend an offer before having fully explored their options. If your candidacy is evaluated at the end of the cohort the hiring manager might feel more pressure to extend an offer to keep their headcount.

sesuximo 5y ago

9am is the _worst_ time. If you get a night owl interviewer, you’re probably making them wake up early…

e-clinton 5y ago

When interviewing remotely, move further away from the camera so you don’t appear as a floating head. Showing more of your torso allows you to use your more of your body to communicate.

commiefornian 5y ago

This might depend on the field. But for the most part, you want to interview as soon as they can and if they have multiple rounds (phone, meet a manager, meet the team) you want to do them as quickly as reasonably possible. They have a position open, they want to fill it, if they hire you quickly, there will be no more competition. They don't want to interview any more people than they have to, so if you're right for the job, they'll hire you fairly quickly. If they aren't willing to schedule your interview fairly quickly, they aren't particularly motivated to fill the position (or have other candidates that they consider higher priority) and might not be worth your time. When interviewing, remember that the interview is a two way street. Try to figure out what the job really is (the hr who posted position and phone screen people likely know much less about the actual job than the interviewers). If after finding out the details, you are genuinely interested in what they do and what you would do in the position, it'll keep the tone positive, even if you struggle. An underqualified, but motivated, candidate is much more interesting than a highly qualified but apathetic candidate. Also, by keeping the interview as a conversation (trying to figure out if/how their questions relate to what they job is), you might get glimpses of feedback on how you're doing that you will almost certainly never get directly. This should help get you an idea of if it is going to be a good place to work or not. If possible, show usages rather than tell qualifications. Rather than saying you can do X, tell a 10 second elevator pitch style story about how you've done it before. Try to have something to say about anything on your resume. They should come out confident that anything you claimed on it was actually you, not just "your team". If they ask about something you are weak in, admit it, and try to see how they use it and try to offer related experience that shows you understand and are willing and able to learn it. They don't really expect to find a candidate that knows everything, but if you can demonstrate that you are familiar with the space enough to learn it, they'll be more willing to give you a pass. If you totally fail at the interview but are genuinely interested and show the ability to learn it, you still have a chance. If you show disinterest or get defensive (rather than motivated) when challenged, they won't want to hire you. If it isn't a good fit in your mind and you'd be looking for something better the day you start, be honest with yourself and them, thank them for their time and let them know that it isn't what you thought it was. A gracious interviewee who doesn't waste their time, may get called back if they have a position that better matches your interests (perhaps even if that interviewer moves to another company). If you accept a job and leave it fairly quickly, that's a big red flag and future employers will likely check that company for references.

awillen 5y ago

My driver's ed teacher gave me three pieces of advice: 1. Don't schedule your driving test right before lunch. 2. Don't schedule your driving test on a Friday afternoon. 3. Don't schedule your driving test on your birthday. The first two were about not getting the interviewer at a time when they really have somewhere else they want to be. The last one was because it sucks if you schedule it on your sixteenth birthday and fail.

MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago

The best ticket I've found is make it seem like you're unavailable and put in little effort unless they put in effort. Be honest and bold. Make it seem like you are a go getter, not someone waiting for tasks. Being slightly unavailable but establishing the qualifications makes you seem like you're someone they can't afford to lose. I have stopped trying to impress people. I've been dropped by a company during interviews just cause I asked too many questions about what they code and how many people would be on the team. I guess they didn't like the fact that I wanted to know what to expect day one...they had some stupid dress code too. Like borderline Mad Men-esque. The kicker was too, they were some company in rural wisconsin. Talk about a controlling corporate culture. They're lucky if they can even FIND a college educated something!

FactoryReboot 5y ago

“Mornings are the best time to schedule interviews as both you and the interviewer are fresh in their heads and there is no mental fatigue.” I get night owls generally get the short end of the stick. However, we are practically half the population. It’s a strange kind of irk to have someone tell me what hours I’m most productive at.

ram_rar 5y ago

This works well for a junior eng working in a big company where your absence may not be noticed that much. Once you get to senior/principle level working on critical projects (you'll know based on the refreshers/comp). It's really hard to pull these off. The biggest issue is to maintain balance. Once I am checked out of the job, then moving on the new company is the only way out. So, one becomes a bit desperate especially if the management kinda knows that you're not giving your best anymore. Holidays/Q4 is one of the best times to interview, since you get breathing space from your work and get more free time to schedule interviews right before holidays and then, post holidays you're ready to kick off your new job.

zerocount 5y ago

I think these are good points. Some of these really speak to the subjectivity of interviewing. I'm currently interviewing for software development roles and it just seems like a lot of luck is involved, good or bad. Uber ghosted me a week ago after the recruiter missed our appointment. A few weeks before that, I completed a week long 'test project' and haven't heard back from them. For such a technical field, there's too much bullshit involved in finding a job.