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For non-dedicated in the US? I can think of at least 2 reasons why not: - crappy network (advertised 300-500mbps, usually lower) - crappy cpus ("benchmarked"

For non-dedicated in the US? I can think of at least 2 reasons why not: - crappy network (advertised 300-500mbps, usually lower) - crappy cpus ("benchmarked" several providers, hetzner was lower end on cpu-bound loads) Dedicated ones are baller though, unfortunately no US.

smarx007 5y ago
I "benchmarked" the network across a few big VPS providers, they all seem to do 400Mpbs+ within the continent and 100-200Mpbs when you go across the ocean (iperf3, I assume you also meant heavy sustained traffic). It also aligns with what the creator of PHP found out: https://toys.lerdorf.com/low-cost-vps-testing https://toys.lerdorf.com/low-cost-vps-testing. Did you find a provider where the network would allow you to go 300Mbps+ across the ocean on a cheap VPS? Re: CPU, if you were comparing them with the VMs from "the big 3", you should look under the "Dedicated vCPU" tab: https://www.hetzner.com/de/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/de/cloud
- synthmeat 5y ago
  Yeah, heavy sustained, and DO came up on top (even your link says so). Admittedly, I haven't tested across the pond. I've tested dcpu ones only AND only for my load (node.js with a worker). That's why "benchmarked" is in quotes. :) Linode/Vultr/DigitalOcean/Hetzner/Terrahost I can easily imagine cost savings on Hetzner could benefit certain loads, of course. It's always "depends".
  - freemint 5y ago
    How did you come to those numbers? I did my own benchmarks and Hetzner definitely came on top of Vultr. https://github.com/freemin7/discount-cloud-geekbench-5 https://github.com/freemin7/discount-cloud-geekbench-5
    - synthmeat 5y ago
      I don't see Hetzner dedicated vCPU's on there? I did mention "dcpu" ones. But thank you for your benchmark, it's very useful for shared-cpu comparison. How did I come to it? Measuring performance of my node.js service I need to run on it, iperf, speedtest.
      - freemint 5y ago
        Yeah after finding no difference in performance between dcpu and the normal hetzner offerings in my benchmarks I didn't benchmark all instances
- Kaibu 5y ago
  My 7 Euro hetzner cloud instance in Falkenstein easily does about 5Gbit (inter-europe). From my experience, at Hetzner you are very rarely limited by their network. Usually only by poor peering from transits. Peerings with all the big names are great tho, so no reason to complain for me. And from what I know from someone near Hetzner, they don't cheap out on peering at all. 10G speedtest to a swedish telco provider I ran just now: https://i.imgur.com/9ARZqOP.png https://i.imgur.com/9ARZqOP.png
adventured 5y ago
I've started using Hetzner's Virginia cloud offering. So far their AMD processors are matching DigitalOcean's comparable product and I'm getting a lot more for my money. I've seen zero evidence of supposed crappy CPUs in Hetzner's cloud.
tinco 5y ago
Anyone know why dedicated is just not a thing in the US? I looked for a Hetzner alternative in the US and it's just crazy to me that it doesn't exist. I think Hetzner's dedicated servers product started from the consumer demand for Counter-Strike servers, maybe it's because Counter-Strike wasn't as popular in the US? Not 100% that's why Hetzner has been succesful with dedicated servers but I don't have another explanation.
- lazide 5y ago
  It’s definitely a thing, every major metro has tons of data centers doing it to various degrees of success. For the most part it’s for small/medium folks, as larger buy and staff their own equipment, and many smaller do VPS or cloud for various reasons. Dedicated is starting to make more sense as cloud prices are kinda nuts + tooling is better now, so ‘roll your own cloud’ is becoming more feasible. It just doesn’t get as much press as the big cloud offerings, and most of them are relatively local players specializing in their region (and associated network/property). OVH has several large DCs selling dedicated hardware for rent here in the US.
  - tinco 5y ago
    Do you have an example of being able to rent a single bare metal node, with the cost of the rack already priced in? I've never seen it, especially not like Hetzner where it can cost as little as $50/mo all inclusive for a full server.
    - kube-system 5y ago
      I'm not sure what it is that you're not finding. I can just search 'dedicated server' and the first page has several examples of places that will rent you a single bare metal server in the US. There are dozens and dozens of options. The first one I clicked on has options around $50 too: https://www.namecheap.com/hosting/dedicated-servers/our-prices/?categories=entry_level https://www.namecheap.com/hosting/dedicated-servers/our-pric...
      - 5y ago

smarx007 5y ago

I "benchmarked" the network across a few big VPS providers, they all seem to do 400Mpbs+ within the continent and 100-200Mpbs when you go across the ocean (iperf3, I assume you also meant heavy sustained traffic). It also aligns with what the creator of PHP found out: https://toys.lerdorf.com/low-cost-vps-testing https://toys.lerdorf.com/low-cost-vps-testing. Did you find a provider where the network would allow you to go 300Mbps+ across the ocean on a cheap VPS? Re: CPU, if you were comparing them with the VMs from "the big 3", you should look under the "Dedicated vCPU" tab: https://www.hetzner.com/de/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/de/cloud

synthmeat 5y ago
Yeah, heavy sustained, and DO came up on top (even your link says so). Admittedly, I haven't tested across the pond. I've tested dcpu ones only AND only for my load (node.js with a worker). That's why "benchmarked" is in quotes. :) Linode/Vultr/DigitalOcean/Hetzner/Terrahost I can easily imagine cost savings on Hetzner could benefit certain loads, of course. It's always "depends".
- freemint 5y ago
  How did you come to those numbers? I did my own benchmarks and Hetzner definitely came on top of Vultr. https://github.com/freemin7/discount-cloud-geekbench-5 https://github.com/freemin7/discount-cloud-geekbench-5
  - synthmeat 5y ago
    I don't see Hetzner dedicated vCPU's on there? I did mention "dcpu" ones. But thank you for your benchmark, it's very useful for shared-cpu comparison. How did I come to it? Measuring performance of my node.js service I need to run on it, iperf, speedtest.
    - freemint 5y ago
      Yeah after finding no difference in performance between dcpu and the normal hetzner offerings in my benchmarks I didn't benchmark all instances
Kaibu 5y ago
My 7 Euro hetzner cloud instance in Falkenstein easily does about 5Gbit (inter-europe). From my experience, at Hetzner you are very rarely limited by their network. Usually only by poor peering from transits. Peerings with all the big names are great tho, so no reason to complain for me. And from what I know from someone near Hetzner, they don't cheap out on peering at all. 10G speedtest to a swedish telco provider I ran just now: https://i.imgur.com/9ARZqOP.png https://i.imgur.com/9ARZqOP.png

adventured 5y ago

I've started using Hetzner's Virginia cloud offering. So far their AMD processors are matching DigitalOcean's comparable product and I'm getting a lot more for my money. I've seen zero evidence of supposed crappy CPUs in Hetzner's cloud.

tinco 5y ago

Anyone know why dedicated is just not a thing in the US? I looked for a Hetzner alternative in the US and it's just crazy to me that it doesn't exist. I think Hetzner's dedicated servers product started from the consumer demand for Counter-Strike servers, maybe it's because Counter-Strike wasn't as popular in the US? Not 100% that's why Hetzner has been succesful with dedicated servers but I don't have another explanation.

lazide 5y ago
It’s definitely a thing, every major metro has tons of data centers doing it to various degrees of success. For the most part it’s for small/medium folks, as larger buy and staff their own equipment, and many smaller do VPS or cloud for various reasons. Dedicated is starting to make more sense as cloud prices are kinda nuts + tooling is better now, so ‘roll your own cloud’ is becoming more feasible. It just doesn’t get as much press as the big cloud offerings, and most of them are relatively local players specializing in their region (and associated network/property). OVH has several large DCs selling dedicated hardware for rent here in the US.
- tinco 5y ago
  Do you have an example of being able to rent a single bare metal node, with the cost of the rack already priced in? I've never seen it, especially not like Hetzner where it can cost as little as $50/mo all inclusive for a full server.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    I'm not sure what it is that you're not finding. I can just search 'dedicated server' and the first page has several examples of places that will rent you a single bare metal server in the US. There are dozens and dozens of options. The first one I clicked on has options around $50 too: https://www.namecheap.com/hosting/dedicated-servers/our-prices/?categories=entry_level https://www.namecheap.com/hosting/dedicated-servers/our-pric...
    - 5y ago