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Let's face it : the modern web is a nightmare without an adblocker and annoyance blocklists. And most web creators aren't even aware because they use these tool

Let's face it : the modern web is a nightmare without an adblocker and annoyance blocklists. And most web creators aren't even aware because they use these tools themselves. No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful.

est31 5y ago
> No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful. Oh wow that's actually a good point, never thought about it that way. You are spot on I think, besides some heavy attempts by services to get people to use their apps (especially pronounced on mobile). Note though that the web has always been annoying users, or at least many website have. I remember how in the 2000s, Firefox was advertised as being able to block pop ups, to give an example.
- bobthepanda 5y ago
  Remember, (one of) the revolutionary things about iPhone was that Apple just straight up refused to allow carriers to preload apps onto the phones. I don't miss the days of Verizon attempting to hawk songs and ringtones on a janky, zero-upside store for $5 a pop.
gkya 5y ago
> No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful. Have you seen someone use Facebook as of recent? Respectful?
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  It’s not a great experience in a lot of ways, but it’s 10x better than every time I give in to curiosity and follow a Reddit link (all from here, this bastion of good web).
  - LordDragonfang 5y ago
    That's because the default for not-logged-in users is "new" reddit, an anti-pattern-filled mobile-first abomination. Everyone that actually uses the site hates it too. Regular reddit users forget how bad the default experience is when linking to it. (You can restore the old, more hn-like appearance by replacing the "www" with "old" in any reddit permalink)
    - eyelidlessness 5y ago
      I don’t know that I’d call it “mobile first”. I only ever visit HN, and by extension Reddit, on my phone. As far as I can tell I can’t access any content on Reddit on my phone anymore at all other than whatever weird unrelated comments they show below the content I was trying to access.
  - gkya 5y ago
    I suggest you go to a non-techie relative or friend and ask them permission to use their facebook for a moment.
    - eyelidlessness 5y ago
      I get more non-techie feedback and advice about Facebook than I get from techies, thanks.
- seoulmetro 5y ago
  You're mis-identifying user content with Facebook UI. Facebook, Amazon, Google, etc. all do have very clean UIs for such big game. But they are pretty hostile for advanced usage (on purpose).

est31 5y ago

> No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful. Oh wow that's actually a good point, never thought about it that way. You are spot on I think, besides some heavy attempts by services to get people to use their apps (especially pronounced on mobile). Note though that the web has always been annoying users, or at least many website have. I remember how in the 2000s, Firefox was advertised as being able to block pop ups, to give an example.

bobthepanda 5y ago
Remember, (one of) the revolutionary things about iPhone was that Apple just straight up refused to allow carriers to preload apps onto the phones. I don't miss the days of Verizon attempting to hawk songs and ringtones on a janky, zero-upside store for $5 a pop.

gkya 5y ago

> No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful. Have you seen someone use Facebook as of recent? Respectful?

eyelidlessness 5y ago
It’s not a great experience in a lot of ways, but it’s 10x better than every time I give in to curiosity and follow a Reddit link (all from here, this bastion of good web).
- LordDragonfang 5y ago
  That's because the default for not-logged-in users is "new" reddit, an anti-pattern-filled mobile-first abomination. Everyone that actually uses the site hates it too. Regular reddit users forget how bad the default experience is when linking to it. (You can restore the old, more hn-like appearance by replacing the "www" with "old" in any reddit permalink)
  - eyelidlessness 5y ago
    I don’t know that I’d call it “mobile first”. I only ever visit HN, and by extension Reddit, on my phone. As far as I can tell I can’t access any content on Reddit on my phone anymore at all other than whatever weird unrelated comments they show below the content I was trying to access.
- gkya 5y ago
  I suggest you go to a non-techie relative or friend and ask them permission to use their facebook for a moment.
  - eyelidlessness 5y ago
    I get more non-techie feedback and advice about Facebook than I get from techies, thanks.
seoulmetro 5y ago
You're mis-identifying user content with Facebook UI. Facebook, Amazon, Google, etc. all do have very clean UIs for such big game. But they are pretty hostile for advanced usage (on purpose).