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Bank of America execs warn junior staffers to ‘dress down’ as NYC crime surges
- 650 5y agoAllusions to telling women to dress down...
- lelandfe 5y agoGuys, don’t wear too flashy of a tie on the subway.
- stjohnswarts 5y agoProbably more like "don't wear that $4000 suit and $10000 rolex for a few months"
- eternalban 5y agoI've known people who have lived in NYC for many decades who have never even once set foot on a MTA subway staircase.
- SpelingBeeChamp 5y agoSo that's whose taking the elevators.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y agoNo surprise Johnathan was mugged. Did you see what he was wearing?
- blitzar 5y agoHe was asking for it rolling up that sleeve and flashing his watch. If he didnt want someone to grab it he should have covered it up.
- throwawaylinux 5y agoThere's victim blaming and then there's practical actionable advice. The latter is empowering, I'm not sure why there is such a strong reaction against it. "Here is a risk that you face. Here are some things you could do to reduce that risk." Great, sounds good to me. Telling a child not to get into a stranger's car is not victim blaming, is it? How about advising a person to wear a mask in public to reduce their chance of getting sick?
- xwolfi 5y agoHow about telling a woman to wear a veil not to provoke erection in adolescents ? :D Something as passive as what you wear should not be a trigger for crime in a reasonable city. Telling people they should dress for the fascists' peace of mind is not progress.
- throwawaylinux 5y agoYes absolutely in some countries and cultures women should absolutely be told that they must cover up, not go about in public un-escorted, etc. It's not about your beliefs or your imagination of what the world is or should be, it is about actual reality for these people.
- chii 5y agoThe difference between telling a child to not get into a stranger's car, vs telling a women not to dress scantily, is that a child would never need to get into a stranger's car (they are often tricked), but an adult woman would want to dress scantily as that is a personal choice of theirs. The fact that there is risk for a woman dressing scantily is the problem - which is why the "actionable advice" for them not to dress that way is called victim blaming.
- throwawaylinux 5y agoAll those situations are different by definition. Without getting bogged down into a child having a reason to get into a car because they want a lift to get somewhere, I'm not talking about the differences. I'm talking about the similarities. Which are ways people might choose to reduce risk. Not that I'm saying dressing differently reduces risk mind you, I don't have statistics at hand to know whether it does or does not in western countries. I was commenting on the advice to avoid being a target on the street by hiding that you're a banker. That's not victim blaming. But if women not "dressing scantily" as you say were to statistically reduce the chance of them being victimized in some situation, that seems like a pretty important thing for them to know. Or would you prefer that data was hidden from them?
- readflaggedcomm 5y agoIf you go to another country dressed however you wish, you might be acosted, too. We share our cities.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y agoAt the same time Morgan Stanley tells young bankers they’re nuts if they aren’t if the office. https://nypost.com/2021/11/22/morgan-stanley-boss-to-young-bankers-youre-nuts-if-youre-not-in-the-office/ https://nypost.com/2021/11/22/morgan-stanley-boss-to-young-b... So… don’t come in lose out on networking and in person opportunities. Come in, but don’t be too obvious a target for criminals. That’s some button meme material right there.
- Grakel 5y agoBut at least we're not under a Republican mayor and all those racist policing policies that... completely cleaned up the city.
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- dang 5y agoPlease do not take HN threads further into political flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we ban accounts that make a habit of it (regardless of what they're flaming for or against). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: glancing at your recent posts (yikes!) it's clear that you've been making a habit of it, so I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
- cyanydeez 5y agoyou never scrutinized what they "cleaned up" did you? https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/spotlight/2017/02/09/compstat-computer-police-policing-the-usa-community/97568874/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/spotlight/20... mostly they cleaned up the statistics.
- NullPrefix 5y ago#WONTFIX
- toss1 5y agoOr, instead of completely cleaning up the city, merely claimed credit for nationwide demographic trends that started 3-4 years before said mayor ever ran for office and continued since. Plenty of references, e.g., [1], from many years before said former mayor has come under multiple criminal investigations. [1] https://www.politifact.com/article/2007/sep/01/how-much-credit-giuliani-due-fighting-crime/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2007/sep/01/how-much-cred...
- sigmaprimus 5y agoThe junior staffers should be thankful they are not execs, the way things are lining up for the markets in 2022 the execs will be forced to wear sackcloth and ashes.
- ryan_lane 5y agoIsn't it easier to discuss things when looking at actual stats? https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statist... Year to date (stats from this week) show that NYC is still at historic lows for crime rate. Total rate of crime is up 3% this year, but down -6% over 11 years, and -77% over 28 years. Most crime that's up is forms of theft. The biggest thing to note for grand larceny auto, is that the normal number is very low, and its 28 year rate is the most historically low (down 90.8%), so any change in the numbers is going to look dramatic. I wonder why NYPost is posting about the dramatic increase in robbery (Up 3% year to date), but not about hate crimes (up 96% year to date)?
- ryan_lane 5y agoIt's very telling that one of the only posts here that links to real data is being downvoted.
- jonahbenton 5y agoAs a lifelong NYC resident: the NYPost is a completely unreliable narrator when it comes to just about any city statistics. Investment bank policies, written by the paranoid generationally wealthy from their out-of-city homes, are similarly unreliable. Some forms of crime are up year over year- in part because NYC was deserted last year- but nearly all forms of crime on 5, 10, 20 and 30 year timeframes are way, way down. My teenage girl children are free to roam around the city at nearly all hours in ways that would have been unthinkable when I was their age. It is incredible how safe NYC is. There IS, however, a very sad upswing of mentally ill on the streets and subways. They may frighten tourists, but are harmless, worthy of help and pity. It is shameful that none of the pervasive enormous construction projects are going to facilitate homing them, even considering the trickle down. Cheers.
- chitowneats 5y agoCrime is down in major metro areas all over the world since the start of the pandemic. The tangible erosion of public safety is unique to the U.S. I've lived in both NYC and Chicago in the past decade. The rapid changes in both cities are quite alarming and no amount of hand waving about 5-30 year time frames is going to make people feel better about the sharp reversal that has occurred in the past 18 months.
- jonahbenton 5y agoSimply false. For all intents and purposes, stranger to stranger crime was virtually zero before the pandemic and is virtually zero now.
- chitowneats 5y agoUsually I would ask for a source for such an outlandish claim. This has not been my personal experience in NYC. Your use of "for all intents and purposes" and "virtually" are doing quite a bit of heavy lifting.
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- notacoward 5y agoWhat exactly does "dressing down" mean for these folks? Does this mean we'll see fewer of those "Midtown Uniform" fleece vests?
- kahrl 5y agoDon't wear a suit or you'll be the target of the poors. Put a little dirt on your face before you go in public so they think you're one of them.
- Jackson12 5y agoI work in Manhattan and commute to my office every day by subway. The story exaggerates a bit. In general it is and feels pretty safe during the day and during normal commuting hours. And banks tend to be VERY risk averse when it comes to safety and security. However, the city just doesn't feel as safe as it did a few years ago. Part of this is that there are fewer people out and about than there used to be (because of Covid). But the trend predates the pandemic and I know a number of women, colleagues and otherwise, who have been followed or don't feel safe walking around alone at night anymore. There is definitely a problem, though I'm hopeful the new mayor will improve things.
- GoodJokes 5y agoHey! At least we know the right people are starting to feel threatened.