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Show HN: MiroTalk – an alternative to Zoom / Teams
- still_grokking 5y agoLooks interesting. Has the right license. (AGPLv3)
- mp85 5y agoHello still_grokking, welcome & thank you ;)
- anyfactor 5y agoI was looking for a self hosted web conferencing tool within our LAN. This looks promising.
- mp85 5y agoHello anyfactor, thank you so much.
- 6581 5y agoHow does the title relate to the linked page? I don't see seven reasons listed there.
- mp85 5y agoHello 6581, The project is Open source [1] and here the demo [2] [1] https://github.com/miroslavpejic85/mirotalksfu https://github.com/miroslavpejic85/mirotalksfu [2] https://sfu.mirotalk.org/ https://sfu.mirotalk.org/ The seven reasons are written at the bottom of the page, the first comment.
- dang 5y agoWe've changed the title now. Submitted title was "Show HN: 7 reasons why MiroTalk it's an alternative to Zoom / Teams" but that's was a bit clickbaity, which is against the site guidelines (see also the one about numbers in titles): https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- mp85 5y agoHello dang, You right, sorry, thank you very much.
- mp85 5y agoGitHub: https://github.com/miroslavpejic85/mirotalksfu https://github.com/miroslavpejic85/mirotalksfu Live Demo: https://sfu.mirotalk.org/ https://sfu.mirotalk.org/ [1] It's an Open Source made for You completely Free [2] You can video call, chat, screen share, share files, use the whiteboard, recording and more [3] No download, plug-in or login required, entirely browser based [4] No rooms and users limitation, it holds online meetings for an Unlimited time. [5] Self-hosted (run it to Your own website or application) [6] Desktop and Mobile compatible [7] Can grow further Thanks to Your contribution Nothing is really ours until we share it. C.S.Lewis
- gus_massa 5y agoHow does it compares with jitsi?
- mp85 5y agoHello gus_massa, Jitsi seems to not have file sharing between participants and the collaborative whiteboard. What do you think about it?
- gus_massa 5y ago[I'm not answering what you asked, but I hope it's useful anyway.] I'm in charge of a dozen of T.A. in the university, and for the virtual Math clases each has been using Zoom/Meet/Teams/Jitsi. (I actually don't remember if someone used Jitsi for the clases.) The T.A. have a very strong opinion about which one is the best, and one of the reasons is the whiteboard support.
- cassianoleal 5y agoBefore opening the link I though it was a new service embedded in Miro [0]. You might benefit from choosing a name that doesn't associate you with an existing and widely used collaboration tool. [0] https://miro.com/ https://miro.com/
- mp85 5y agoHello cassianoleal, ha ha ha, Thanks for the tips, miro is also my second name :)
- cassianoleal 5y agoHey! Well, that's a coincidence! :) Initially I thought you'd be setting yourself up for getting sued. It being your second name might complicate matters though. In any case, it will certainly cause confusion!
- whimsicalism 5y agoMany people are named Miro, why didn't the collaboration tool consider this?
- acatton 5y agoInteresting project. It might be worth noting that there is the project https://galene.org/ https://galene.org/ which aims at achieving the same goals as MiroTalk (self hosted, open source), but with a subset of features (no file sharing) and written in Go. I'm not affiliated with them, but I like what Galène is doing.
- ciarlill 5y agoI think it's worth noting this is largely an implementation on top of the Mediasoup SFU project. MiroTalk is not really the SFU here. It's just a client and server side API built on top of an existing open source SFU. And they don't appear to mention this or credit Mediasoup for this anywhere. It's a cool project, very useful and appears to be in full compliance with mediasoup licensing... but it still feels a little disingenuous to label it as an SFU.
- mionhe 5y agoUnless they've changed it in the last 45 minutes, the first line of the description says: "Powered by WebRTC and SFU integrated server." and "SFU" is a link to the Mediasoup website.
- ciarlill 5y agoI guess that's fair. I missed the 3 letter hyperlink in the Github README. Would be nice if some credit was given on https://sfu.mirotalk.org/ https://sfu.mirotalk.org/ Normally I would not be so pedantic about the use of a library, but mediasoup is doing the vast majority of the heavy lifting that makes this possible. Edit: I see the mediasoup project is also listed by name in the credits section. So I rescind my earlier comment. I still think it's a fine line to call this project itself an SFU though.
- mp85 5y agoHello mionhe welcome, that you mentioned It has been there since the first commit (103 days ago) :)
- mp85 5y agoHi ciarlill, thanks for saying it's a Cool project :) credits are always due, if you look at the references cited there are from the first commit. All the best
- digitallyfree 5y agoYou mention on the github that you're running this demo on a lightweight 1GB/1vCPU VM - how many calls/concurrent users can this support with that hardware?
- 2Gkashmiri 5y agoi would love to know too
- oliwarner 5y agoIf it's acting as a STUN service, to just enable peering around NAT, you'd struggle to hit a limit. If you need to pass data between clients via a TURN server, bandwidth is your limiting factor, well before CPU.
- samirsd 5y agoLOL I love the "meet the team" section
- wanderingmind 5y agoCan someone tell how does Microtalk have any specific advantages over Nextcloud talk which is also opensource and self hostable?
- nsonha 5y agoMiro would love the free brand name promotion
- whimsicalism 5y agoMiro is a name, they don't have a monopoly on it.
- nsonha 5y agosorry I don't care, I read the title and think of Miro immediately, maybe it's just me
- e-clinton 5y agoI use Miro often and only thought of it when you mentioned it.
- whimsicalism 5y agookay, so you don't care. and I'm supposed to care... why? Worth noting that Miro got its start using the name of another popular software offering also called Miro. If you look up Miro on Algolia HN, most of the discussions are still around the prior Miro OSS software.
- nsonha 5y agono one said you should care, I made a throwaway comment, and then you commented as if you think I think you owe me an explanation.
- rexreed 5y agoWould be nice for these systems to support an arbitrary RTMPS so that you can stream to non-YouTube systems (such as Vimeo live, etc.)
- mp85 5y agoHello rexreed, thanks for the good tips, any idea is always well accepted.
- rexreed 5y agoYou got it! I'm always looking for an alternative to Zoom for webinars and webcasting. I usually stream from Zoom to another source where we can have thousands of attendees without having them all join the Zoom session. For MiroTalk to be a good alternative, it needs to support arbitrary RTMPS streaming. Also making sure that our presenters won't have ports blocked is a big issue. I wish there was a better alternative to YouTube / Vimeo Live for big streaming though, but that might be a much harder thing to do given bandwidth constraints.
- maccolgan 5y agoYou can always use owncast in place of YT or Vimeo Live, with a S3-like service it's highly scalable.
- rexreed 5y agoGot me looking into it! Do you use OBS or a different RTMP streamer or just Owncast directly? I'm looking for more audience engagement in the form of polls, Q&A support as well as visual overlays such as bottom thirds, frames, etc.
- maccolgan 5y agoI use it alongside OBS and ffmpeg for automated streams, works well.
- rexreed 5y agoHow does this compare to Jami, especially some of the latest features?
- mp85 5y agoHello rexreed, Seems p2p, There is also MiroTalk P2P [1], Live Demo [2] [1] https://github.com/miroslavpejic85/mirotalk https://github.com/miroslavpejic85/mirotalk [2] https://mirotalk.up.railway.app/ https://mirotalk.up.railway.app/