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This part caught my attention: > Davis, previously a director of product design at Facebook, joined Twitter in 2019 to lead its design team. He is Black and As

This part caught my attention: > Davis, previously a director of product design at Facebook, joined Twitter in 2019 to lead its design team. He is Black and Asian, and was the first Black executive at Twitter to report directly to the CEO. The company had touted him as a hard-charging leader who would detoxify the platform, but he was also criticized by some employees for what they said was a blunt, aggressive management style. Since they've clearly gone for the "diversity" angle here, I decided to read more[0] about Davis. > The comment occurred during a meeting in which Liz Ferrall-Nunge, who led Twitter’s research team, shared concerns about diversity at Twitter and referred to her experience as a woman of color. Mr. Davis seemed to dismiss her, telling Ms. Ferrall-Nunge, who is Asian American, that if she wore sunglasses, she would pass as white, three people familiar with the investigation said. …Wow. [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20210816090522/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/technology/twitter-culture-change-conflict.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210816090522/https://www.nytim...

Spivak 5y ago
That’s the best part about recognizing that people of all different races, genders and creeds as people. They have exactly the same capacity to be shitty as anyone else. If this was a white executive this wouldn’t even move the needle but a black CEO is naturally held to a higher standard. Progress is measured by having their shitty behaviors reflect on them as an individual instead of their class.
- yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
  Your comment seems to imply that anyone taking issue with Davis' racism is racist themselves, because they wouldn't otherwise notice if Davis were white. Please let me know if my interpretation of your comment is inaccurate, but if it isn't, then that's a pretty horrific rhetorical device that you're employing. Personally, I noticed this part because — according to the article — Davis was outspoken about diversity, and indeed one of the explicit reasons for hiring him was for him to "promote diversity". That's the context — not his skin colour. > Two years ago, the company brought in a blunt executive to make things move faster and to promote diversity. Then the problems began. > Twitter employees who were aware of the episode said they expected better from Mr. Davis because of his outspokenness about diversity.
  - Spivak 5y ago
    Oh no, you can absolutely rake this guy over the coals for being a racist asshole. Here's the problem: > He is Black and Asian, and was the first Black executive at Twitter to report directly to the CEO. Does this mention that he is outspoken about diversity? Or that he was brought on to promote diversity in the company in any way more than his existence? Nope, it's just a hey this guy is black and that is notable. So this seems really out place. > Since they've clearly gone for the "diversity" angle here, I decided to read more[0] about Davis. Why does him being black and casually mentioning it in his bio warrant you digging into his background? Would you have done the same if it said he was the first first generation college graduate? Obviously not. So this guy absolutely deserves to be criticized because he is outspoken about diversity while being racist. The crucial point is that this criticism is that is has nothing to do with his own race. But you only even thought to look for that because they mentioned he's black. There are a million ways this guy could be a terrible executive worthy of criticism but you definitely had one particular way in mind when you went digging.
    - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
      I can't speak the original commenter, but what would have prompted my concern is this sentence: > The company had touted him as a hard-charging leader who would detoxify the platform, but he was also criticized by some employees for what they said was a blunt, aggressive management style. "Blunt" and "aggressive" are very often used as euphemisms for "rude and offensive, but in a way the author finds socially acceptable".
    - yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
      The authors of the article mentioned his race, but did not mention the race of any of the other nine Twitter staff listed in the article. So the authors of the article found the juxtaposition of his race and the criticisms against him to be noteworthy. Davis was also the only person mentioned in a critical light in the article. > But you only even thought to look for that because they mentioned he's black. You obviously have zero evidence for that.
- tmule 5y ago
  “ If this was a white executive this wouldn’t even move the needle but a black CEO is naturally held to a higher standard.” There’s zero evidence of this. But spout away.
gotoeleven 5y ago
When you're divying free stuff up by race, you've got to maintain some standards. I believe the "sunglass test" was first proposed in one of David Duke's early books "Practical Segregation for Racists."
- theturtletalks 5y ago
  Ah yes, David Duke, an early pioneer in this space
- Akronymus 5y ago
  I can't believe that nowadays it is racist to try and not see race.
  - Nevermark 5y ago
    He "saw" white, which isn't race neutral. It is often viewed as being a race.
cblconfederate 5y ago
Incidentally i hate the new redesigns of everything to have black and white buttons only. I end up constantly double pressing them because i never know which one is pressed. Same with youtube. Whoever started this trend should be fired.
- jcrben 5y ago
  I think it's intended to push people into the premium version where you can customize your button color
  - cblconfederate 5y ago
    wut? i wasn't even aware. What a world we live in
    - kbsspl 5y ago
      always.about.money
- boibombeiro 5y ago
  I think their previous design was counter intuitive and we just got used to it. The changes they made actually makes more sense to new users. For example. In the past, they used filled buttons to indicate unselected option (like follow button). Now it's filled when you are already following.
  - crocodiletears 5y ago
    I just joined twitter a month ago, after seeing their redesign, and deciding to follow a person I heard on a podcast. Never could make heads or tails of the old UI, and I thought it was ugly as sin to boot. The new interface seems like a massive improvement to me.
  - cblconfederate 5y ago
    Here is the buttons i see now: https://i.imgur.com/eNcYkIM.png https://i.imgur.com/eNcYkIM.png i dont see the pattern
tomohawk 5y ago
He's the same guy who tweeted this: https://tennesseestar.com/2021/11/30/new-twitter-ceo-why-should-i-distinguish-between-white-people-and-racists/ https://tennesseestar.com/2021/11/30/new-twitter-ceo-why-sho...
- lbotos 5y ago
  This site.... is pretty biased and it appears they intentionally chose to not connect the quote to it's source. It's from a Jon Stewart segment: https://www.cc.com/video/vz5edd/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-npr-staffing-decision-2010 https://www.cc.com/video/vz5edd/the-daily-show-with-jon-stew... Not sure if you just grabbed the first source or if you regularly get news from there, but if you do, you are being fed a pretty strong narrative that is doing a poor job of telling the story. Here's the independent with slightly more context: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/twitter-parag-agarwal-republicans-racism-b1966568.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/twitter-pa... Edit: As an aside, on the biggest problems on the internet which twitter itself perpetrates is what I call "this" culture. No one has to pontificate, just an empty quote or THIS and we have no more context. We are left to assume and depending on your bias one will just self-reinforce: - if you agree with the quote: "he's one of us, and he gets it! - if you disagree with the quote: "He's not one of us, and he's shown his true colors!" Depending on the audience I've seen people of all stripes avoid adding actual commentary and use the same quote to represent "both sides" as an example... fascinating stuff.
azth 5y ago
This whole "diversity" fiasco is getting out of hand. It's scary to think about what destruction and chaos it might bring.
TechBro8615 5y ago
Companies that encourage this sort of culture are crumbling. Nobody wants to work in an environment that feels like you’re walking on glass every day.
- aiisjustanif 5y ago
  Any proof of that?
  - web2sucks 5y ago
    I refuse to work at Twitter for its racist policies against whites
  - TechBro8615 5y ago
    Yeah, my personal experience spending every day of my life in the industry.
    - aiisjustanif 5y ago
      My personal experience feels otherwise. Both are anecdotal.

Spivak 5y ago

That’s the best part about recognizing that people of all different races, genders and creeds as people. They have exactly the same capacity to be shitty as anyone else. If this was a white executive this wouldn’t even move the needle but a black CEO is naturally held to a higher standard. Progress is measured by having their shitty behaviors reflect on them as an individual instead of their class.

yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
Your comment seems to imply that anyone taking issue with Davis' racism is racist themselves, because they wouldn't otherwise notice if Davis were white. Please let me know if my interpretation of your comment is inaccurate, but if it isn't, then that's a pretty horrific rhetorical device that you're employing. Personally, I noticed this part because — according to the article — Davis was outspoken about diversity, and indeed one of the explicit reasons for hiring him was for him to "promote diversity". That's the context — not his skin colour. > Two years ago, the company brought in a blunt executive to make things move faster and to promote diversity. Then the problems began. > Twitter employees who were aware of the episode said they expected better from Mr. Davis because of his outspokenness about diversity.
- Spivak 5y ago
  Oh no, you can absolutely rake this guy over the coals for being a racist asshole. Here's the problem: > He is Black and Asian, and was the first Black executive at Twitter to report directly to the CEO. Does this mention that he is outspoken about diversity? Or that he was brought on to promote diversity in the company in any way more than his existence? Nope, it's just a hey this guy is black and that is notable. So this seems really out place. > Since they've clearly gone for the "diversity" angle here, I decided to read more[0] about Davis. Why does him being black and casually mentioning it in his bio warrant you digging into his background? Would you have done the same if it said he was the first first generation college graduate? Obviously not. So this guy absolutely deserves to be criticized because he is outspoken about diversity while being racist. The crucial point is that this criticism is that is has nothing to do with his own race. But you only even thought to look for that because they mentioned he's black. There are a million ways this guy could be a terrible executive worthy of criticism but you definitely had one particular way in mind when you went digging.
  - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
    I can't speak the original commenter, but what would have prompted my concern is this sentence: > The company had touted him as a hard-charging leader who would detoxify the platform, but he was also criticized by some employees for what they said was a blunt, aggressive management style. "Blunt" and "aggressive" are very often used as euphemisms for "rude and offensive, but in a way the author finds socially acceptable".
  - yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
    The authors of the article mentioned his race, but did not mention the race of any of the other nine Twitter staff listed in the article. So the authors of the article found the juxtaposition of his race and the criticisms against him to be noteworthy. Davis was also the only person mentioned in a critical light in the article. > But you only even thought to look for that because they mentioned he's black. You obviously have zero evidence for that.
tmule 5y ago
“ If this was a white executive this wouldn’t even move the needle but a black CEO is naturally held to a higher standard.” There’s zero evidence of this. But spout away.

gotoeleven 5y ago

When you're divying free stuff up by race, you've got to maintain some standards. I believe the "sunglass test" was first proposed in one of David Duke's early books "Practical Segregation for Racists."

theturtletalks 5y ago
Ah yes, David Duke, an early pioneer in this space
Akronymus 5y ago
I can't believe that nowadays it is racist to try and not see race.
- Nevermark 5y ago
  He "saw" white, which isn't race neutral. It is often viewed as being a race.

cblconfederate 5y ago

Incidentally i hate the new redesigns of everything to have black and white buttons only. I end up constantly double pressing them because i never know which one is pressed. Same with youtube. Whoever started this trend should be fired.

jcrben 5y ago
I think it's intended to push people into the premium version where you can customize your button color
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  wut? i wasn't even aware. What a world we live in
  - kbsspl 5y ago
    always.about.money
boibombeiro 5y ago
I think their previous design was counter intuitive and we just got used to it. The changes they made actually makes more sense to new users. For example. In the past, they used filled buttons to indicate unselected option (like follow button). Now it's filled when you are already following.
- crocodiletears 5y ago
  I just joined twitter a month ago, after seeing their redesign, and deciding to follow a person I heard on a podcast. Never could make heads or tails of the old UI, and I thought it was ugly as sin to boot. The new interface seems like a massive improvement to me.
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  Here is the buttons i see now: https://i.imgur.com/eNcYkIM.png https://i.imgur.com/eNcYkIM.png i dont see the pattern

tomohawk 5y ago

He's the same guy who tweeted this: https://tennesseestar.com/2021/11/30/new-twitter-ceo-why-should-i-distinguish-between-white-people-and-racists/ https://tennesseestar.com/2021/11/30/new-twitter-ceo-why-sho...

lbotos 5y ago
This site.... is pretty biased and it appears they intentionally chose to not connect the quote to it's source. It's from a Jon Stewart segment: https://www.cc.com/video/vz5edd/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-npr-staffing-decision-2010 https://www.cc.com/video/vz5edd/the-daily-show-with-jon-stew... Not sure if you just grabbed the first source or if you regularly get news from there, but if you do, you are being fed a pretty strong narrative that is doing a poor job of telling the story. Here's the independent with slightly more context: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/twitter-parag-agarwal-republicans-racism-b1966568.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/twitter-pa... Edit: As an aside, on the biggest problems on the internet which twitter itself perpetrates is what I call "this" culture. No one has to pontificate, just an empty quote or THIS and we have no more context. We are left to assume and depending on your bias one will just self-reinforce: - if you agree with the quote: "he's one of us, and he gets it! - if you disagree with the quote: "He's not one of us, and he's shown his true colors!" Depending on the audience I've seen people of all stripes avoid adding actual commentary and use the same quote to represent "both sides" as an example... fascinating stuff.

azth 5y ago

This whole "diversity" fiasco is getting out of hand. It's scary to think about what destruction and chaos it might bring.

TechBro8615 5y ago

Companies that encourage this sort of culture are crumbling. Nobody wants to work in an environment that feels like you’re walking on glass every day.

aiisjustanif 5y ago
Any proof of that?
- web2sucks 5y ago
  I refuse to work at Twitter for its racist policies against whites
- TechBro8615 5y ago
  Yeah, my personal experience spending every day of my life in the industry.
  - aiisjustanif 5y ago
    My personal experience feels otherwise. Both are anecdotal.