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From what I'm seeing yes, although it does go further. Imagine where every bar was a different length while still keeping a pulse. One might be 3+2+2 then 4+3

From what I'm seeing yes, although it does go further. Imagine where every bar was a different length while still keeping a pulse. One might be 3+2+2 then 4+3 then 2+3+2+3 and so on.

the_gipsy 5y ago
Maybe I’m totally off here, because I don’t really know that much about music theory. But I think this is exactly what happens in Flamenco. A Bulería song/performance has 12 beats, mostly 6/8+3/4, accented on 3, 6, 8, 10, 12. The chord changes on 3 and 10. The accents can change to literally anything, deviating from the 6/8+3/4, spanning multiple bars. As long as the chord change is there, or the 10th is heavily accented with a stop, when done. Because the chord change is asymmetrical, it never really feels like “just 3/4” or whatever is happening rhythmically. It’s like a meta game to outwit each other, but always finding the common ground immediately.
YeGoblynQueenne 5y ago
Aye, zeibekiko is the most characteristic example I know of that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeibekiko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeibekiko It's 9/8s in uneven splits, but it's difficult to break it down without showing you (by tapping my hand!). The wikipedia page has a couple of different analyses. The stuff that really messes with my brain is Greek Pontiac dances like dipat, like this one: https://youtu.be/tTZDVKMZOrk https://youtu.be/tTZDVKMZOrk I don't even know what the rythm is for that. Me and my friend keep trying to count it and failing and dissolving in giggles because we just can. not. comprehend it. (I got halfway to a modern drums diploma and my friend has studied classic guitar for ages. So much for that). Here's a modern vesrion with more prominent percussion: https://youtu.be/EeCOl8gn-1A https://youtu.be/EeCOl8gn-1A Here's a different Pontiac dance, Kotsari: https://youtu.be/IhtBTr0Ip1k https://youtu.be/IhtBTr0Ip1k And here's a Baidushka from Eastern Thrace: https://youtu.be/etU9eqQJweg https://youtu.be/etU9eqQJweg Counting which are left as an exercise to the reader. Have fun and sorry for the nerd snipe :)

From what I'm seeing yes, although it does go further. Imagine where every bar was a different length while still keeping a pulse. One might be 3+2+2 then 4+3 then 2+3+2+3 and so on.

the_gipsy 5y ago

Maybe I’m totally off here, because I don’t really know that much about music theory. But I think this is exactly what happens in Flamenco. A Bulería song/performance has 12 beats, mostly 6/8+3/4, accented on 3, 6, 8, 10, 12. The chord changes on 3 and 10. The accents can change to literally anything, deviating from the 6/8+3/4, spanning multiple bars. As long as the chord change is there, or the 10th is heavily accented with a stop, when done. Because the chord change is asymmetrical, it never really feels like “just 3/4” or whatever is happening rhythmically. It’s like a meta game to outwit each other, but always finding the common ground immediately.

YeGoblynQueenne 5y ago

Aye, zeibekiko is the most characteristic example I know of that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeibekiko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeibekiko It's 9/8s in uneven splits, but it's difficult to break it down without showing you (by tapping my hand!). The wikipedia page has a couple of different analyses. The stuff that really messes with my brain is Greek Pontiac dances like dipat, like this one: https://youtu.be/tTZDVKMZOrk https://youtu.be/tTZDVKMZOrk I don't even know what the rythm is for that. Me and my friend keep trying to count it and failing and dissolving in giggles because we just can. not. comprehend it. (I got halfway to a modern drums diploma and my friend has studied classic guitar for ages. So much for that). Here's a modern vesrion with more prominent percussion: https://youtu.be/EeCOl8gn-1A https://youtu.be/EeCOl8gn-1A Here's a different Pontiac dance, Kotsari: https://youtu.be/IhtBTr0Ip1k https://youtu.be/IhtBTr0Ip1k And here's a Baidushka from Eastern Thrace: https://youtu.be/etU9eqQJweg https://youtu.be/etU9eqQJweg Counting which are left as an exercise to the reader. Have fun and sorry for the nerd snipe :)