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> There is a whole market of enterprise products out there, and there is certainly a use case for a _work_ laptop which needs no multimedia support. You think

by tw04 5y ago

> There is a whole market of enterprise products out there, and there is certainly a use case for a _work_ laptop which needs no multimedia support. You think in 2021, when I'd argue the majority of folks that own a laptop are working remote, there's huge demand for a laptop that can't display a video feed from a zoom or WebEx meeting? That sounds extremely unlikely to me. I'd wager the demand for such a device would measure in the thousands and would never be cheap enough to sell more than a couple hundred. You'd be far, far better off just making a Bluetooth keyboard case (like the old clamcase or brydge cases) for a boox and calling it good. You'd have an ssh terminal and basic office apps as supported by Android.

mdp2021 5y ago
> a laptop that can't display a video feed Actually, those displays do. They may work fairly well for the purpose. When I tested those capabilities years ago, the chief issue was with ghosting; the second with choosing either high definition with strong artefacts or fast, cleaner low definition; the third was with having algorithms that minimize dot switching (which is energy costly). But there is a possibility that newer refresh algorithms fixed most of that. Even at the state of a few years ago, to just see talking heads and presentations the video capabilities of EPD were already more than adequate. It makes little sense energy wise (wrong instrument), but it is doable. Those who want the EPD properties for production may see little loss in the lower video quality - provided the issues I listed above have been mitigated, foremostly the ghosting. -- Edit: I checked on YT and, look, it seems to me that video quality on EPD has boosted to incredible levels. See my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29430696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29430696 or directly the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KqASRsIWVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KqASRsIWVw Surely such laptop would be able to «display a video feed». Suboptimally. (Yet, in a way, amazingly.)
- kcplate 5y ago
  The ghosting on that even as good as it is would drive me crazy.

by tw04 5y ago

mdp2021 5y ago

> a laptop that can't display a video feed Actually, those displays do. They may work fairly well for the purpose. When I tested those capabilities years ago, the chief issue was with ghosting; the second with choosing either high definition with strong artefacts or fast, cleaner low definition; the third was with having algorithms that minimize dot switching (which is energy costly). But there is a possibility that newer refresh algorithms fixed most of that. Even at the state of a few years ago, to just see talking heads and presentations the video capabilities of EPD were already more than adequate. It makes little sense energy wise (wrong instrument), but it is doable. Those who want the EPD properties for production may see little loss in the lower video quality - provided the issues I listed above have been mitigated, foremostly the ghosting. -- Edit: I checked on YT and, look, it seems to me that video quality on EPD has boosted to incredible levels. See my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29430696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29430696 or directly the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KqASRsIWVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KqASRsIWVw Surely such laptop would be able to «display a video feed». Suboptimally. (Yet, in a way, amazingly.)

kcplate 5y ago
The ghosting on that even as good as it is would drive me crazy.