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The egregious part is that they reduced ICU beds last summer, they even had monetary incentives to reduce them. Meanwhile vaccinating anyone < 60 has a very sm

The egregious part is that they reduced ICU beds last summer, they even had monetary incentives to reduce them. Meanwhile vaccinating anyone < 60 has a very small benefit and it should be up to choice. Myokarditis side effects from the vaccine are probably bullshit, you can get it from almost all infections, so I expect it to see for every vaccine. We probably have no data since we lack operation of this scale. But people here are afraid (typical) and even demand harsher policies. They also seem incapable to hold political leaders to account. Politics basically failed to prepare for the next wave, which was known to be happening quite a long while ago. Instead we had an embarrassing slap-fight between different states. One more stupid than the other. Also you cannot just get a vaccine, you have to actively search for places that administer them. Pretty sure that I won't renew mine again, since this is just not acceptable. I would advise you to ask a doctor, even if those aren't too keen to get another patient with vaccine trouble, but getting a vaccine in an active wave might not be the best health recommendation.

Klemotio 5y ago
Sooo any proof for your thoughts on the missing benefits of a vaccinated person u der 60? Wild statement to make without any numbers.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  The numbers of people dying from Covid. Germany has 100,000 dead people and ~5000 are under the age of 65. But you cannot stop there, you need to incrementally look at age correlated data to see a picture. Here is a start: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-gender-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covi... Covid is a serious disease, but we are talking of mandatory vaccination and I don't think that it can be justified for younger age groups.
  - Klemotio 5y ago
    So you don't think it's critical for younger people to be less infections? Having also less risk from the vaccine itself (which got injected into over 4 billion people) in comparison to COVID? I disagree. Lucky for me in this discussion, experts and politics are also now more inclined to have mandatory vaccination. Mandatory vaccination exists in Germany for other things as well. I totally think it is reasonable.
carlmr 5y ago
>Also you cannot just get a vaccine, you have to actively search for places that administer them. Pretty sure that I won't renew mine again, since this is just not acceptable. Very true, last month for the booster there was only one place in Stuttgart (large city for German standards) offering appointments within the year. It's gotten better again, but it's not like they didn't know that there would be a new wave of vaccinations once the first people are 6 months in (or had J&J).
apexalpha 5y ago
Meanwhile vaccinating anyone < 60 has a very small benefit and it should be up to choice. Myokarditis side effects from the vaccine are probably bullshit, you can get it from almost all infections, so I expect it to see for every vaccine. We probably have no data since we lack operation of this scale. This isn't exactly true. People under 60 have a smaller risk to get to the Hospital/ICU but it's definitely not 0. There is also still a very real risk for Long-Covid and other complications from it. This gets even worse when said <60 person has obesity, smokes or other underlying health issues. For your reference, in the Netherlands about 89% of 18+ people have been fully vaccinated. Yet the 11% unvaccinated make up 50% of Hospital beds and more than 70% of ICU beds. Looks at this image from our Minister of Health: https://twitter.com/hugodejonge/status/1466482208995164175 https://twitter.com/hugodejonge/status/1466482208995164175 It's in Dutch but you'll get the message. Furthermore, even if you are somehow not at risk of Covid, and you would magically know this about yourself it is STILL a good idea to get the shot because it reduces your chances of getting it (and passing it on!) and even if you get it your viral load is lower so the chances to spread it are reduced. Stop making up arguments and get your bloody shot.

Klemotio 5y ago

Sooo any proof for your thoughts on the missing benefits of a vaccinated person u der 60? Wild statement to make without any numbers.

raxxorrax 5y ago
The numbers of people dying from Covid. Germany has 100,000 dead people and ~5000 are under the age of 65. But you cannot stop there, you need to incrementally look at age correlated data to see a picture. Here is a start: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-gender-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covi... Covid is a serious disease, but we are talking of mandatory vaccination and I don't think that it can be justified for younger age groups.
- Klemotio 5y ago
  So you don't think it's critical for younger people to be less infections? Having also less risk from the vaccine itself (which got injected into over 4 billion people) in comparison to COVID? I disagree. Lucky for me in this discussion, experts and politics are also now more inclined to have mandatory vaccination. Mandatory vaccination exists in Germany for other things as well. I totally think it is reasonable.

carlmr 5y ago

>Also you cannot just get a vaccine, you have to actively search for places that administer them. Pretty sure that I won't renew mine again, since this is just not acceptable. Very true, last month for the booster there was only one place in Stuttgart (large city for German standards) offering appointments within the year. It's gotten better again, but it's not like they didn't know that there would be a new wave of vaccinations once the first people are 6 months in (or had J&J).

apexalpha 5y ago

Meanwhile vaccinating anyone < 60 has a very small benefit and it should be up to choice. Myokarditis side effects from the vaccine are probably bullshit, you can get it from almost all infections, so I expect it to see for every vaccine. We probably have no data since we lack operation of this scale. This isn't exactly true. People under 60 have a smaller risk to get to the Hospital/ICU but it's definitely not 0. There is also still a very real risk for Long-Covid and other complications from it. This gets even worse when said <60 person has obesity, smokes or other underlying health issues. For your reference, in the Netherlands about 89% of 18+ people have been fully vaccinated. Yet the 11% unvaccinated make up 50% of Hospital beds and more than 70% of ICU beds. Looks at this image from our Minister of Health: https://twitter.com/hugodejonge/status/1466482208995164175 https://twitter.com/hugodejonge/status/1466482208995164175 It's in Dutch but you'll get the message. Furthermore, even if you are somehow not at risk of Covid, and you would magically know this about yourself it is STILL a good idea to get the shot because it reduces your chances of getting it (and passing it on!) and even if you get it your viral load is lower so the chances to spread it are reduced. Stop making up arguments and get your bloody shot.