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> We have viable treatments that work and could be prescribed en masse. Not discussed, not mentioned. Because the real problem are going to be people that will

> We have viable treatments that work and could be prescribed en masse. Not discussed, not mentioned. Because the real problem are going to be people that will be far too sick for any treatment to help them avoid hospitalisation. And overloaded hospitals will not benefit a lot from the fact there is some treatment available. The system will benefit much more from people not requiring hospitalisation in the first place, and currently that can only be achieved by having a large percentage of population vaccinated.

passing_by_and 5y ago
You have a good point, thank you for stating it clearly. My contention here is that instead of promoting treatment steps, and working towards helping each other we are tearing each other apart and the discussion is oriented completely wrong. Punishing people, fines?
nradov 5y ago
I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated. However the monoclonal antibody treatments are given on an outpatient basis and are highly effective at preventing hospitalization.
- lmilcin 5y ago
  They do help, but you need give it early enough. Most unvaccinated patients do not seek help until they are clearly more sick than a normal flu. They wait until they have trouble breathing. And at that time it is already very likely they are going to be hospitalized anyway. They might react better with antibody treatment but they are still going to have to be admitted. Whereas vaccine does not need to be given at exactly right time to be effective.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Not an option for many americans that can't afford insurance. vaccines are free and more effective.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Bullshit. The Federal government pays for monoclonal antibody treatments, the same way they pay for vaccines. Uninsured patients aren't turned away. In high risk patients Sotrovimab has about the same effectiveness as vaccines in preventing hospitalization. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107934 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107934 I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated but you need to stop spreading misinformation about other treatments.
  - walkhour 5y ago
    > vaccines are free ... No
    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      yes.
landemva 5y ago
'... that can only be achieved by having a large percentage of population vaccinated.' Only?? The mortality profile is grossly _weighted_ by lifestyle choices such as low cardiovascular health, type 2 diabetes, and obesity. I am in decent health, got quite sick with the 'rona this year, and toughed it out at home. I later got blood test to confirm anti-bodies and a recovered letter from Dr.
- snidane 5y ago
  These cohorts are the cash cows for pharma industry. Surprise surprise they'd rather sacrifice 99.9% of healthy population to save their major source of perpetual income. No hate against chronically ill, obese and diabetic, just pointing out the incentives here.
  - Volundr 5y ago
    40% of Americans are obese, and 75% are overweight. Pretty far from "99.9% healthy population".
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passing_by_and 5y ago

You have a good point, thank you for stating it clearly. My contention here is that instead of promoting treatment steps, and working towards helping each other we are tearing each other apart and the discussion is oriented completely wrong. Punishing people, fines?

nradov 5y ago

I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated. However the monoclonal antibody treatments are given on an outpatient basis and are highly effective at preventing hospitalization.

lmilcin 5y ago
They do help, but you need give it early enough. Most unvaccinated patients do not seek help until they are clearly more sick than a normal flu. They wait until they have trouble breathing. And at that time it is already very likely they are going to be hospitalized anyway. They might react better with antibody treatment but they are still going to have to be admitted. Whereas vaccine does not need to be given at exactly right time to be effective.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
Not an option for many americans that can't afford insurance. vaccines are free and more effective.
- nradov 5y ago
  Bullshit. The Federal government pays for monoclonal antibody treatments, the same way they pay for vaccines. Uninsured patients aren't turned away. In high risk patients Sotrovimab has about the same effectiveness as vaccines in preventing hospitalization. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107934 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107934 I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated but you need to stop spreading misinformation about other treatments.
- walkhour 5y ago
  > vaccines are free ... No
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    yes.

landemva 5y ago

'... that can only be achieved by having a large percentage of population vaccinated.' Only?? The mortality profile is grossly _weighted_ by lifestyle choices such as low cardiovascular health, type 2 diabetes, and obesity. I am in decent health, got quite sick with the 'rona this year, and toughed it out at home. I later got blood test to confirm anti-bodies and a recovered letter from Dr.

snidane 5y ago
These cohorts are the cash cows for pharma industry. Surprise surprise they'd rather sacrifice 99.9% of healthy population to save their major source of perpetual income. No hate against chronically ill, obese and diabetic, just pointing out the incentives here.
- Volundr 5y ago
  40% of Americans are obese, and 75% are overweight. Pretty far from "99.9% healthy population".
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