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None of those are the right answer. These are the answers people come up with having never talked to anyone who disagrees. The right answers are: 1. They don'

None of those are the right answer. These are the answers people come up with having never talked to anyone who disagrees. The right answers are: 1. They don't trust the medical authorities to be honest about the risks. 2. They don't feel a need for it because they're at low risk of COVID and know it. 3. They don't believe it will change anything.

Pyramus 5y ago
> The right answers The right answers, but for the wrong question ;) Not disagreeing with you, but parent was asking why is Germany so bad relative to their European peers.
- worik 5y ago
  Pacific peers actually!-)
jseban 5y ago
And 1. The recommendation to take the vaccine goes exactly against anything the doctors said pre-covid. Before covid, nobody would recommend you to take a vaccine against something you are not in a risk group for, and double doses and boosters were unheard of. This makes me suspicious, and I don't think that is unreasonable. 2. You get really sick from the second dose of the vaccine, which also is not normal, you are not supposed to get sick from vaccines, you are supposed to take them to avoid getting sick So the whole vaccination situation is something that's new and confusing, why do what my doctor always said to not do? Why get sick from vaccines, aren't they supposed to stop you from getting sick? Why double and triple vaccines?
- rbanffy 5y ago
  > and double doses and boosters were unheard of. Double doses and boosters are very common in standard vaccination practice. Your kids should be getting them.
  - jseban 5y ago
    Within two weeks?
    - rbanffy 5y ago
      This is an exceptionally bad disease and we had to develop vaccines in a very short time. They aren’t perfect.
      - jseban 5y ago
        Yeah except it's not an exceptionally bad disease. For a person who is not in a risk group, it's the same thing as the flu.
        rbanffy 5y ago
        > it's the same thing as the flu. Not at all. How many people experience long-term crippling effects from the flu? BTW, the care we are taking has reduced the number of flu cases too. And even if it were just a flu for you, there’s a 3% chance each person you infect will die a horrible death after a month of agony.
        jseban 5y ago
        3%? I'd take that risk any day, even if I was in a risk group. Who want destroy society over that, only a lunatic
        rbanffy 5y ago
        Great. If you want to take that risk, self infect and isolate. You have no right to make this choice for others by willingly being a host that can infect others.
        worik 5y ago
        Steady on. Hyperbole does not behove you. Nobody is destroying society. Nobody here is a lunatic. 3% is too high.
- WickyNilliams 5y ago
  > You get really sick from the second dose of the vaccine What? That's not a universal truth at all. Anecdotally just a few people I know felt a little run down for a day, but everyone else (myself included) experience felt zero ill effects
  - jseban 5y ago
    Everyone I know got really sick from second dose of mRNA, myself included. Probably the people who already had covid in the past and were recovered.
    - vimy 5y ago
      That was exactly my experience! So you think it’s linked to a previous infection?
      - jseban 5y ago
        From what my limited research could find, is that the more immunity you have, the worse the side effects.
        vimy 5y ago
        So a booster shot would make me feel even worse. I wasn’t gonna take a booster anyway. My heart hurt like hell after both shots. Both times exactly after the same amount of days.
        jseban 5y ago
        Yeah my heart hurt as well, and it's associated with heart inflammation especially in men and athletic people. I really really don't want to take the booster shot since it's only 100% negative for me with no benefit whatsoever, and an extremely far fetched and vague benefit for society/someone else.
    - WickyNilliams 5y ago
- _ph_ 5y ago
  I didn't get sick from Biontech/Pfizer at all. I was a bit sleepy for a day, that was the whole extend of it.
  - codr7 5y ago
    Truth is, we have no idea about long term consequences from these novel vaccines yet, it's a pretty crazy experiment really.
    - KiwiJohnno 5y ago
      The actual truth is "long term consequences" from a vaccine, besides immunity are just not a thing. I bet you can't name one vaccine that has had a "long term consequence" that has emerged more than a few months after the vaccine was administered. It just doesn't happen. Its a bit like saying I've just developed an upset stomach, from that dodgy curry I ate last year.
      - megous 5y ago
        Ok, find some significant published studies that tracked side effects (like headache or arm ache) of BNT162b2 over time (not just the typical "there was XYZ in first 7 days, and we don't care further") since the first dose. And tell me what % of people still reported the new onset symptoms still present say 3 months later. I'll wait. :) Or are you just sharing an opinion?
      - native_samples 5y ago
        That's easy. Pandemrix caused brain damage in teenagers and it took five years+lawsuits for the authorities to finally admit it and pay compensation. Obviously, nothing was learned. That was for swine flu which was also subject to a mass hysteria at the time. Imagine the horrific consequences if Pandemrix had been mandated!
        _ph_ 5y ago
        I am aware of Pandemrix, but do you know that the likelyhood of getting narcolepsy was much higher when contracting the swine flue than from getting vaccinated? Of course it was not mandated, as the swine flu didn't become that large as initially feared. But if it had, the number of cases would have been orders of magnitude larger than those caused by the vaccine, as they were based on the same effect. And yes, a completely new flu is something to be afraid of, it can have very high death tolls.
- KiwiJohnno 5y ago
  I'm sorry but your post is completely wrong. >Before covid, nobody would recommend you to take a vaccine against something you are not in a risk group for How about the Flu vax? I'm a healthy middle aged guy with no risk factors who gets a flu vax every year. Why wouldn't I? >double doses and boosters were unheard of Completely wrong. Gardasil, the HPV vaccine is given in two doses. The Chickenpox vaccination is I think three doses? Same with hepatitis B. You need a tetanus booster every 10 or so years. >You get really sick from the second dose of the vaccine Uhhhh myself, my partner, my kids and nearly everyone I know and work with has had two doses of the Pfizer covid vax. No-one I know has gotten really sick from either dose. A bit of a headache and sore arm and perhaps feeling a bit blah for half a day after is the worst I've heard of.
  - jseban 5y ago
    I've learned that it's more common to get flu vaccines in the US, so I have to adjust that statement to Europe where I live. And even if you do get the flu vaccine, isn't that purely a nice to have? Did they really recommend you to take it? Yeah but you didn't have mRNA, which makes you really sick.
    - KiwiJohnno 5y ago
      I'm not in the US, I'm in Australia. And I picked the flu vax just as an example. I should have instead questioned your statement that I wasn't in a risk group. Everyone is at risk from covid, admitedly some much more than others. According to this data: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mortality-risk-estimator https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mort... I'm at a 0.4% risk of dying of Covid, and a 8% risk of hospitalization. Those aren't small risks, the vaccine reduces that approximately 10x so clearly its a good idea Actually, I've just thought of another good example - Whooping cough. Adults are actually at no risk whatsoever of this, but small babies are at severe risk so parents are reccommended to get this vaccination to prevent them passing on what is a very mild or unnoticeable disease for them to their babies. Oh and when I looked up info on this and the vaccine, yes you should get booster shots for this as well https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/whooping-cough-pertussis https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/whooping-cough-pertu... And, uhh yes Pfizer, which was the main covid vaccine used in Australia, is a mRNA vaccine.

Pyramus 5y ago

> The right answers The right answers, but for the wrong question ;) Not disagreeing with you, but parent was asking why is Germany so bad relative to their European peers.

worik 5y ago
Pacific peers actually!-)

jseban 5y ago

And 1. The recommendation to take the vaccine goes exactly against anything the doctors said pre-covid. Before covid, nobody would recommend you to take a vaccine against something you are not in a risk group for, and double doses and boosters were unheard of. This makes me suspicious, and I don't think that is unreasonable. 2. You get really sick from the second dose of the vaccine, which also is not normal, you are not supposed to get sick from vaccines, you are supposed to take them to avoid getting sick So the whole vaccination situation is something that's new and confusing, why do what my doctor always said to not do? Why get sick from vaccines, aren't they supposed to stop you from getting sick? Why double and triple vaccines?

rbanffy 5y ago
> and double doses and boosters were unheard of. Double doses and boosters are very common in standard vaccination practice. Your kids should be getting them.
- jseban 5y ago
  Within two weeks?
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    This is an exceptionally bad disease and we had to develop vaccines in a very short time. They aren’t perfect.
    - jseban 5y ago
      Yeah except it's not an exceptionally bad disease. For a person who is not in a risk group, it's the same thing as the flu.
      - rbanffy 5y ago
        > it's the same thing as the flu. Not at all. How many people experience long-term crippling effects from the flu? BTW, the care we are taking has reduced the number of flu cases too. And even if it were just a flu for you, there’s a 3% chance each person you infect will die a horrible death after a month of agony.
        jseban 5y ago
        3%? I'd take that risk any day, even if I was in a risk group. Who want destroy society over that, only a lunatic
        rbanffy 5y ago
        Great. If you want to take that risk, self infect and isolate. You have no right to make this choice for others by willingly being a host that can infect others.
        worik 5y ago
        Steady on. Hyperbole does not behove you. Nobody is destroying society. Nobody here is a lunatic. 3% is too high.
WickyNilliams 5y ago
> You get really sick from the second dose of the vaccine What? That's not a universal truth at all. Anecdotally just a few people I know felt a little run down for a day, but everyone else (myself included) experience felt zero ill effects
- jseban 5y ago
  Everyone I know got really sick from second dose of mRNA, myself included. Probably the people who already had covid in the past and were recovered.
  - vimy 5y ago
    That was exactly my experience! So you think it’s linked to a previous infection?
    - jseban 5y ago
      From what my limited research could find, is that the more immunity you have, the worse the side effects.
      - vimy 5y ago
        So a booster shot would make me feel even worse. I wasn’t gonna take a booster anyway. My heart hurt like hell after both shots. Both times exactly after the same amount of days.
        jseban 5y ago
        Yeah my heart hurt as well, and it's associated with heart inflammation especially in men and athletic people. I really really don't want to take the booster shot since it's only 100% negative for me with no benefit whatsoever, and an extremely far fetched and vague benefit for society/someone else.
  - WickyNilliams 5y ago
_ph_ 5y ago
I didn't get sick from Biontech/Pfizer at all. I was a bit sleepy for a day, that was the whole extend of it.
- codr7 5y ago
  Truth is, we have no idea about long term consequences from these novel vaccines yet, it's a pretty crazy experiment really.
  - KiwiJohnno 5y ago
    The actual truth is "long term consequences" from a vaccine, besides immunity are just not a thing. I bet you can't name one vaccine that has had a "long term consequence" that has emerged more than a few months after the vaccine was administered. It just doesn't happen. Its a bit like saying I've just developed an upset stomach, from that dodgy curry I ate last year.
    - megous 5y ago
      Ok, find some significant published studies that tracked side effects (like headache or arm ache) of BNT162b2 over time (not just the typical "there was XYZ in first 7 days, and we don't care further") since the first dose. And tell me what % of people still reported the new onset symptoms still present say 3 months later. I'll wait. :) Or are you just sharing an opinion?
    - native_samples 5y ago
      That's easy. Pandemrix caused brain damage in teenagers and it took five years+lawsuits for the authorities to finally admit it and pay compensation. Obviously, nothing was learned. That was for swine flu which was also subject to a mass hysteria at the time. Imagine the horrific consequences if Pandemrix had been mandated!
      - _ph_ 5y ago
        I am aware of Pandemrix, but do you know that the likelyhood of getting narcolepsy was much higher when contracting the swine flue than from getting vaccinated? Of course it was not mandated, as the swine flu didn't become that large as initially feared. But if it had, the number of cases would have been orders of magnitude larger than those caused by the vaccine, as they were based on the same effect. And yes, a completely new flu is something to be afraid of, it can have very high death tolls.
KiwiJohnno 5y ago
I'm sorry but your post is completely wrong. >Before covid, nobody would recommend you to take a vaccine against something you are not in a risk group for How about the Flu vax? I'm a healthy middle aged guy with no risk factors who gets a flu vax every year. Why wouldn't I? >double doses and boosters were unheard of Completely wrong. Gardasil, the HPV vaccine is given in two doses. The Chickenpox vaccination is I think three doses? Same with hepatitis B. You need a tetanus booster every 10 or so years. >You get really sick from the second dose of the vaccine Uhhhh myself, my partner, my kids and nearly everyone I know and work with has had two doses of the Pfizer covid vax. No-one I know has gotten really sick from either dose. A bit of a headache and sore arm and perhaps feeling a bit blah for half a day after is the worst I've heard of.
- jseban 5y ago
  I've learned that it's more common to get flu vaccines in the US, so I have to adjust that statement to Europe where I live. And even if you do get the flu vaccine, isn't that purely a nice to have? Did they really recommend you to take it? Yeah but you didn't have mRNA, which makes you really sick.
  - KiwiJohnno 5y ago
    I'm not in the US, I'm in Australia. And I picked the flu vax just as an example. I should have instead questioned your statement that I wasn't in a risk group. Everyone is at risk from covid, admitedly some much more than others. According to this data: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mortality-risk-estimator https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mort... I'm at a 0.4% risk of dying of Covid, and a 8% risk of hospitalization. Those aren't small risks, the vaccine reduces that approximately 10x so clearly its a good idea Actually, I've just thought of another good example - Whooping cough. Adults are actually at no risk whatsoever of this, but small babies are at severe risk so parents are reccommended to get this vaccination to prevent them passing on what is a very mild or unnoticeable disease for them to their babies. Oh and when I looked up info on this and the vaccine, yes you should get booster shots for this as well https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/whooping-cough-pertussis https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/whooping-cough-pertu... And, uhh yes Pfizer, which was the main covid vaccine used in Australia, is a mRNA vaccine.