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> Why do 30% of people refuse to get vaccinated? (here in Aotearoa it is 5%). Something is happening, people are getting left behind, in vast numbers. It's an
by Pyramus 5y ago
> Why do 30% of people refuse to get vaccinated? (here in Aotearoa it is 5%). Something is happening, people are getting left behind, in vast numbers.
It's an interesting question and there is lots of debate in Germany at the moment as to why. Some factors are:
* Germany did very well during the pandemic so people didn't experience a Bergamo or Madrid moment
* Germany has a strong esoteric / anthroposophical movement (Steiner, Waldorf et al.)
* Federalism: Vaccination rates vary a lot by state
- native_samples 5y agoNone of those are the right answer. These are the answers people come up with having never talked to anyone who disagrees. The right answers are: 1. They don't trust the medical authorities to be honest about the risks. 2. They don't feel a need for it because they're at low risk of COVID and know it. 3. They don't believe it will change anything.
- Pyramus 5y ago> The right answers The right answers, but for the wrong question ;) Not disagreeing with you, but parent was asking why is Germany so bad relative to their European peers.
- worik 5y agoPacific peers actually!-)
- jseban 5y agoAnd 1. The recommendation to take the vaccine goes exactly against anything the doctors said pre-covid. Before covid, nobody would recommend you to take a vaccine against something you are not in a risk group for, and double doses and boosters were unheard of. This makes me suspicious, and I don't think that is unreasonable. 2. You get really sick from the second dose of the vaccine, which also is not normal, you are not supposed to get sick from vaccines, you are supposed to take them to avoid getting sick So the whole vaccination situation is something that's new and confusing, why do what my doctor always said to not do? Why get sick from vaccines, aren't they supposed to stop you from getting sick? Why double and triple vaccines?
- rbanffy 5y ago> and double doses and boosters were unheard of. Double doses and boosters are very common in standard vaccination practice. Your kids should be getting them.
- jseban 5y agoWithin two weeks?
- rbanffy 5y agoThis is an exceptionally bad disease and we had to develop vaccines in a very short time. They aren’t perfect.
- jseban 5y agoYeah except it's not an exceptionally bad disease. For a person who is not in a risk group, it's the same thing as the flu.
- rbanffy 5y ago> it's the same thing as the flu. Not at all. How many people experience long-term crippling effects from the flu? BTW, the care we are taking has reduced the number of flu cases too. And even if it were just a flu for you, there’s a 3% chance each person you infect will die a horrible death after a month of agony.
- jseban 5y ago3%? I'd take that risk any day, even if I was in a risk group. Who want destroy society over that, only a lunatic
- rbanffy 5y agoGreat. If you want to take that risk, self infect and isolate. You have no right to make this choice for others by willingly being a host that can infect others.
- tomp 5y agoYour point (1) cannot be true, as Italy has barely better vaccination rate. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+vaccinated+%28by+dose%29&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=DEU~ITA https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
- Pyramus 5y agoRoughly 10 % more people doubly vaccinated (78 vs 71 per hundred) is barely?
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