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> Being unvaccinated is a pre-existing condition. A "pre-existing condition" is not a medical term. It is a term used only in US health insurance. To 95% of

> Being unvaccinated is a pre-existing condition. A "pre-existing condition" is not a medical term. It is a term used only in US health insurance. To 95% of the world, it has no meaning. > It should inform treatment strategies the same way other co-morbidities might. Because...? Hospitals in the Netherlands, where I live, have stopped a lot of surgeries to deal with our fifth wave of COVID, almost entirely amongst the deliberately unvaccinated. Innocent people will die so that guilty people can get the treatment for the disease that they spread through deliberate and wanton negligence. It's almost 2022. Soon it will be two years of this. If we as a group took vaccination and masking seriously, and if we in the developed world had worked hard on getting the rest of the world vaccinated, COVID would be gone, but it's as here as it ever was. If you aren't masking and you aren't getting vaccinated and you live in a developed country, then you are doing it deliberately, you are costing everyone else tremendously, and the rest of the world shouldn't be forced to carry the burden for your decision to be antisocial, irrational and to steal from the health of the group at no objective benefit for yourself.

nradov 5y ago
I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, however COVID will never be gone. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
trentnix 5y ago
> A "pre-existing condition" is not a medical term. It is a term used only in US health insurance. To 95% of the world, it has no meaning. You're being pedantic. The point was that outcomes are poorer for the unvaccinated, just like outcomes are poorer for those with high blood pressure or with autoimmune deficiencies. It is to everyone's benefit to keep those people out of ICU and long-term hospital stays, so they should be treated aggressively as a result. > If you aren't masking and you aren't getting vaccinated and you live in a developed country, then you are doing it deliberately, you are costing everyone else tremendously, and the rest of the world shouldn't be forced to carry the burden for your decision to be antisocial, irrational and to steal from the health of the group at no objective benefit for yourself. Millions have had Covid without resulting in serious illness. And having had Covid is likely to be more effective protection than the vaccine. I'm vaccinated. I'm pro-vaccine. But this line of thinking that "no vaccine = evil" is unscientific and toxic. Reality never fits the narrative.
galaxyLogic 5y ago
I think you are right. It is un-ethical to put others at risk when you could easily avoid that by getting vaccinated. I personally think it should be a crime or misdemeanor to not get vaccinated because of that. For a precedent I cite the case of Typhoid Mary. She was forcibly quarantined because she refused to stop putting other people at risk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon Today's anti-vaccers of course say: "You are taking away my liberty to infect others!"
- trentnix 5y ago
  While you reach to justify fascism with paper-thin reasoning, the data indicates vaccinated people are commonly getting infected with and spreading Covid. And although it is clearly effective at improving outcomes statistically, the vaccine is no guarantee. I happen to be one of the few who has lost a fully-vaccinated loved one to Covid (he was elderly with co-morbidities, but clearly not immune to getting sick).

nradov 5y ago

I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, however COVID will never be gone. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

trentnix 5y ago

> A "pre-existing condition" is not a medical term. It is a term used only in US health insurance. To 95% of the world, it has no meaning. You're being pedantic. The point was that outcomes are poorer for the unvaccinated, just like outcomes are poorer for those with high blood pressure or with autoimmune deficiencies. It is to everyone's benefit to keep those people out of ICU and long-term hospital stays, so they should be treated aggressively as a result. > If you aren't masking and you aren't getting vaccinated and you live in a developed country, then you are doing it deliberately, you are costing everyone else tremendously, and the rest of the world shouldn't be forced to carry the burden for your decision to be antisocial, irrational and to steal from the health of the group at no objective benefit for yourself. Millions have had Covid without resulting in serious illness. And having had Covid is likely to be more effective protection than the vaccine. I'm vaccinated. I'm pro-vaccine. But this line of thinking that "no vaccine = evil" is unscientific and toxic. Reality never fits the narrative.

galaxyLogic 5y ago

I think you are right. It is un-ethical to put others at risk when you could easily avoid that by getting vaccinated. I personally think it should be a crime or misdemeanor to not get vaccinated because of that. For a precedent I cite the case of Typhoid Mary. She was forcibly quarantined because she refused to stop putting other people at risk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon Today's anti-vaccers of course say: "You are taking away my liberty to infect others!"

trentnix 5y ago
While you reach to justify fascism with paper-thin reasoning, the data indicates vaccinated people are commonly getting infected with and spreading Covid. And although it is clearly effective at improving outcomes statistically, the vaccine is no guarantee. I happen to be one of the few who has lost a fully-vaccinated loved one to Covid (he was elderly with co-morbidities, but clearly not immune to getting sick).