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In my country there are about 5% women in computer science. We had 5 women and 115 men in my bachelor degree, 1 and 15 in my master degree. Other European count

In my country there are about 5% women in computer science. We had 5 women and 115 men in my bachelor degree, 1 and 15 in my master degree. Other European countries look quite similar. The 18% of the US is actually quite high in comparison, although that number is also declining. Not sure about the difference computer programmers and software developer, that is probably a topic of definitions of US labor statistics. Women aren't discriminated against joining CS, they just decide themselves against it. The discrimination explanation does not hold up under scrutiny. But furthermore, it is quite easy to explain the OSS numbers on Github. It is pretty much exactly mirrors in the CS pipeline. You are also a bad patron for those few women that are in OSS. Because the demanded formalities aren't meant to reduce discrimination, it is about big tech "embracing" OSS in my opinion. That is based on observations vastly nearer to reality than the discrimination story. So, wtf is wrong with the author? And even IF numbers would be different between pipeline and OSS participation, it doesn't allow for the conclusion that were drawn. They are made up in my opinion.

eesmith 5y ago
Where is your evidence that "You can look at the pipeline of programmers and you will see a demographic pretty similar to open source"? You described your country's employment statistics, although without evidence. You haven't listed the breakdown of gender representation in your country's OSS participation, so there's nothing to compare. And "Europe" is rather diverse region. As counter-evidence, I point you to https://blog.honeypot.io/women-in-tech-germany/ https://blog.honeypot.io/women-in-tech-germany/ which claims women make up 16.58% of IT in Germany, and that percentage is lower than 15 other European countries. To be sure, I can't vouch for the quality of that research, but so far you have presented none. > they just decide themselves against it Again, where is your evidence. I have already in this thread listed reasons for why women (who have more pressure to be unpaid care givers) and the working poor (which in the US is correlated with minority status) may have LESS choice than average, so saying "just decide themselves" ignores the factors which go into that decision. > "It is pretty much exactly mirrors in the CS pipeline." Evidence please. Since the citations I gave show otherwise. > it doesn't allow for the conclusion that were drawn Which specific conclusions do you disagree with and what evidence do you have besides your personal observations and biases?

eesmith 5y ago

Where is your evidence that "You can look at the pipeline of programmers and you will see a demographic pretty similar to open source"? You described your country's employment statistics, although without evidence. You haven't listed the breakdown of gender representation in your country's OSS participation, so there's nothing to compare. And "Europe" is rather diverse region. As counter-evidence, I point you to https://blog.honeypot.io/women-in-tech-germany/ https://blog.honeypot.io/women-in-tech-germany/ which claims women make up 16.58% of IT in Germany, and that percentage is lower than 15 other European countries. To be sure, I can't vouch for the quality of that research, but so far you have presented none. > they just decide themselves against it Again, where is your evidence. I have already in this thread listed reasons for why women (who have more pressure to be unpaid care givers) and the working poor (which in the US is correlated with minority status) may have LESS choice than average, so saying "just decide themselves" ignores the factors which go into that decision. > "It is pretty much exactly mirrors in the CS pipeline." Evidence please. Since the citations I gave show otherwise. > it doesn't allow for the conclusion that were drawn Which specific conclusions do you disagree with and what evidence do you have besides your personal observations and biases?