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Teenagers arrested after escape from Covid quarantine facility

10 points by hncurious 5y ago

miles 5y ago
What sort of dystopia is this? > Northern Territory police say they don't believe three teenagers who allegedly absconded from Darwin's Howard Springs COVID-19 quarantine facility this morning came into contact with members of the community. > At a COVID update press conference, NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner confirmed the teenagers, aged 15, 16 and 17, tested negative for the virus yesterday. > He said all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases. 1. Quarantine camps?! 2. The teenagers tested negative as recently as yesterday. 3. The risk posed by COVID-19 to children aged 5-17 is infinitesimal: Why COVID-19 Vaccines Should Not Be Required for All Americans https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vaccines-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vacci... > Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and editor in chief of MedPage Today, argues that mandating vaccines for "every living, walking American" is, as of now, not well-supported by science. ... The risk of hospitalization from COVID-19 in kids ages 5 to 17 is 0.3 per million for the week ending July 24, 2021, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. We also know that the risk of hospitalization after the second vaccine dose due to myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, is about 50 per million in that same age group.
- necovek 5y ago
  The risk they are concerned with is to others, but otherwise, exactly my thoughts. This reads like 1984 and I can't shake the feeling this is some type of The Onion site.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    I see. If authorities claim that they are vaguely concerned about a risk you might pose to others, then they can arrest and confine you with no due process for an indeterminate time period.
- tsol 5y ago
  What's actually dystopian is this; >Indigenous people infected with Covid Delta strain at twice the rate of other Australians[1] Unfortunately that isn't as interesting to people as bad optics [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/14/indigenous-people-infected-with-covid-delta-strain-at-twice-the-rate-of-other-australians https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/14/indig...
raxxorrax 5y ago
Australia doesn't look too well lately to be honest. Not really sad to live at the opposite side of the planet right now. I think shielding vulnerable people from infection is a laudable and necessary goal for a state that wants to be a service to the population, I don't believe a state has an end in itself aside from consolidating the interest of the population. This is clear evidence that states cannot responsibly manage their power if they aren't restricted by necessary boundaries. > "But there is absolutely no excuse for the actions of these three this morning." I disagree. I think these ridiculous rules are part that forced the teenagers hand and are therefore a health risk to everyone.
- bufferout 5y ago
  Nobody forced them to hop on a plane and submit to these predefined quarantine requirements. Compare Australia's death rates per capita then consider which is truly the less humane approach.
  - miles 5y ago
    > Nobody forced them to hop on a plane and submit to these predefined quarantine requirements. The teens did not "hop on a plane": > all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases.
bufferout 5y ago
Perhaps I can provide some important context here. I'm an Australian who's actually been through the Howard Springs quarantine facility, with my family, as a requirement to travelling interstate there. First of all, the people who are there knew before travelling that this was part of the deal for keeping covid out of the NT. Secondly, the Aboriginal communities in that area are considered some of the most vulnerable based on existing health standards and below-par vaccination rates. Thirdly, the facilities really aren't that bad with decent wifi, private modern facilities and even a 50m swimming pool. Lastly, as a broad rationale for Australia's strict approach to all of this: US covid deaths per million: 2,365.98 AU covid deaths per million: 79.28
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  Are the Aboriginal people there voluntarily, or not? Where should the line be drawn, i.e., what level of restrictive measures could not be justified by a simple appeal to differences in per capita death rates from a single cause?
- peteradio 5y ago
  Those are total population numbers in the denominator? We are at different points of endemnicity and generally its not too easy to compare numbers across countries due to different methods of accounting.
- mk81 5y ago
  Not sure why you all don't see it but this isn't playing the way you think it is.
- miles 5y ago
  > the people who are there knew before travelling that this was part of the deal The teens were not in quarantine camp due to any traveling on their part: > all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases.
- version_five 5y ago
  > US covid deaths per million: 2,365.98 > AU covid deaths per million: 79.28 But it's not like you've "weathered the storm" and are ok now. It just hasn't happened to you yet. Is there any evidence that if Australians ever come out of hiding, they won't just suffer similarly to the rest of the world? All you've done is oppress your citizens and cowered away for a couple years. I guess you're hoping that something will save you from what other places have experienced, but its just wishful thinking, it has no basis in reality. Being an island and not having a bill of rights let you isolate yourselves and restrain your countrymen in a way impossible in other western nations, but so far it's just bought you time, if living under lockdown counts as living. It hasn't actually solved anything.
mk81 5y ago
Too bad. I had always wanted to visit Australia. Would never consider it again.
tsol 5y ago
Bijari is a poverty stricken area, which are the hardest hit by covid. Despite the optics not being so great, it's a way to stem the increased risks they are subject to Also see: Indigenous people infected with Covid Delta strain at twice the rate of other Australians https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/14/indigenous-people-infected-with-covid-delta-strain-at-twice-the-rate-of-other-australians https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/14/indig...

10 points by hncurious 5y ago

What sort of dystopia is this? > Northern Territory police say they don't believe three teenagers who allegedly absconded from Darwin's Howard Springs COVID-19 quarantine facility this morning came into contact with members of the community. > At a COVID update press conference, NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner confirmed the teenagers, aged 15, 16 and 17, tested negative for the virus yesterday. > He said all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases. 1. Quarantine camps?! 2. The teenagers tested negative as recently as yesterday. 3. The risk posed by COVID-19 to children aged 5-17 is infinitesimal: Why COVID-19 Vaccines Should Not Be Required for All Americans https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vaccines-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vacci... > Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and editor in chief of MedPage Today, argues that mandating vaccines for "every living, walking American" is, as of now, not well-supported by science. ... The risk of hospitalization from COVID-19 in kids ages 5 to 17 is 0.3 per million for the week ending July 24, 2021, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. We also know that the risk of hospitalization after the second vaccine dose due to myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, is about 50 per million in that same age group.

necovek 5y ago
The risk they are concerned with is to others, but otherwise, exactly my thoughts. This reads like 1984 and I can't shake the feeling this is some type of The Onion site.
- angelzen 5y ago
  I see. If authorities claim that they are vaguely concerned about a risk you might pose to others, then they can arrest and confine you with no due process for an indeterminate time period.
tsol 5y ago
What's actually dystopian is this; >Indigenous people infected with Covid Delta strain at twice the rate of other Australians[1] Unfortunately that isn't as interesting to people as bad optics [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/14/indigenous-people-infected-with-covid-delta-strain-at-twice-the-rate-of-other-australians https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/14/indig...

raxxorrax 5y ago

Australia doesn't look too well lately to be honest. Not really sad to live at the opposite side of the planet right now. I think shielding vulnerable people from infection is a laudable and necessary goal for a state that wants to be a service to the population, I don't believe a state has an end in itself aside from consolidating the interest of the population. This is clear evidence that states cannot responsibly manage their power if they aren't restricted by necessary boundaries. > "But there is absolutely no excuse for the actions of these three this morning." I disagree. I think these ridiculous rules are part that forced the teenagers hand and are therefore a health risk to everyone.

bufferout 5y ago
Nobody forced them to hop on a plane and submit to these predefined quarantine requirements. Compare Australia's death rates per capita then consider which is truly the less humane approach.
- miles 5y ago
  > Nobody forced them to hop on a plane and submit to these predefined quarantine requirements. The teens did not "hop on a plane": > all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases.

bufferout 5y ago

Perhaps I can provide some important context here. I'm an Australian who's actually been through the Howard Springs quarantine facility, with my family, as a requirement to travelling interstate there. First of all, the people who are there knew before travelling that this was part of the deal for keeping covid out of the NT. Secondly, the Aboriginal communities in that area are considered some of the most vulnerable based on existing health standards and below-par vaccination rates. Thirdly, the facilities really aren't that bad with decent wifi, private modern facilities and even a 50m swimming pool. Lastly, as a broad rationale for Australia's strict approach to all of this: US covid deaths per million: 2,365.98 AU covid deaths per million: 79.28

AndrewBissell 5y ago
Are the Aboriginal people there voluntarily, or not? Where should the line be drawn, i.e., what level of restrictive measures could not be justified by a simple appeal to differences in per capita death rates from a single cause?
peteradio 5y ago
Those are total population numbers in the denominator? We are at different points of endemnicity and generally its not too easy to compare numbers across countries due to different methods of accounting.
mk81 5y ago
Not sure why you all don't see it but this isn't playing the way you think it is.
miles 5y ago
> the people who are there knew before travelling that this was part of the deal The teens were not in quarantine camp due to any traveling on their part: > all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases.
version_five 5y ago
> US covid deaths per million: 2,365.98 > AU covid deaths per million: 79.28 But it's not like you've "weathered the storm" and are ok now. It just hasn't happened to you yet. Is there any evidence that if Australians ever come out of hiding, they won't just suffer similarly to the rest of the world? All you've done is oppress your citizens and cowered away for a couple years. I guess you're hoping that something will save you from what other places have experienced, but its just wishful thinking, it has no basis in reality. Being an island and not having a bill of rights let you isolate yourselves and restrain your countrymen in a way impossible in other western nations, but so far it's just bought you time, if living under lockdown counts as living. It hasn't actually solved anything.

mk81 5y ago

Too bad. I had always wanted to visit Australia. Would never consider it again.

tsol 5y ago

Bijari is a poverty stricken area, which are the hardest hit by covid. Despite the optics not being so great, it's a way to stem the increased risks they are subject to Also see: Indigenous people infected with Covid Delta strain at twice the rate of other Australians https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/14/indigenous-people-infected-with-covid-delta-strain-at-twice-the-rate-of-other-australians https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/14/indig...