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you know east europeans are white? anyway lots of italians come to my eastern european city and we make it extra obvious we are racist against them so its even

by qnsi 5y ago

nix23 5y ago
Rome was NOT made by Italians (but most probably albans)...but hey they are really proud of the roman empire ;) But do you know were the word "slave" comes from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Terminology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Terminology >>Use of the word arose during the Early Medieval Period, when Slavs from Central and Eastern Europe (Saqaliba) were frequently enslaved by Moors from the Iberian Peninsula and North Africa. So brown/black peoples enslaved white peoples, but hey the US only thinks about sold black's by black peoples only, a slave can only be black..end of discussion.
- Asooka 5y ago
  Well, let's not put all Blacks under the same denominator, that sounds a bit racist. As a Slav, I hold no ill will towards them acting in a way that was appropriate for the time period. That said, I do find it ironic, that we had to remove all mentions of master/slave from our software products, so as to not offend our American customers. Again, I don't mind, but it's funny when you think about it.
  - seoulmetro 5y ago
    You didn't have to. You wanted to. Lots of people wanted to. For no real reason other than to fit in or appease a mob. There's no "have to". You don't "have to" do much these days. I'm not letting people's stupid actions be marked as a "have to" when they're most definitely still stupid and still neither required nor appropriate. "I had to" rob the liquor store.
Asooka 5y ago
If you mean Slavs, the Coalition of Communities of Colour actually formally recognises us as people of colour. European everyday racism feels a bit different than American racism. It's the end result of many cultures interacting over centuries and accruing generational memories of when X group screwed them over. Meaning, everyone is equally racist to one another. Also, it's not based so much on physical race, as on group belonging. For example, often people from within a single country would be prejudiced to one another, based on the specific city one is born in. Depending on how the country borders get redrawn and what the government decides to call the ethnicity of people within them, those relations can technically flip between being racist and not. Basically, we can be casually racist with each other, because it's between equals. Americans can't, because it's between two groups, one of which used to inflict horrible human rights abuses over the other.
- seoulmetro 5y ago
  >Coalition of Communities of Colour Jesus. Talk about inventing problems from problems.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  America has many races. The majority are white or hispanic not black. The opportunities for someone who is black are so much more in America vs Europe. America is a big place. When you judge someone by birth location you are also judging someone based on race. Would you accept an Indian person born in Moscow as Russian or would you treat them as Indian? This is harmful..
- qnsi 5y ago
  so are Americans with Polish heritage people of color? There are about 3% of Americans that self-identify as Polish-Americans
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  > Coalition of Communities of Colour They probably would recognize me too, but I would decline association to be honest, regardless if it is the US or British variant. Also racism to me has a very specific definition. To believe people to be inferior because of extrinsic properties or ethnicity. Not every form of prejudice is racism of course. The only person I have ever met that though I was too brown was my dermatologist. Sure, others face racism, but it is also used to justify discrimination and I think that is moving backwards. The US has better understanding on multiculturalism but they changed course recently. It is progress as that is inevitable, but I don't see it improving anything.
- superflit2 5y ago
  "Basically, we can be casually racist with each other, because it's between equals. Americans can't, because it's between two groups, one of which used to inflict horrible human rights abuses over the other." I really enjoy the guilty/shame we put upon White Christians about slavery. Even being the *OnlY* people who fought to end the slavery. Black merchants/kings? Jesuit Company (Converted Jews), Islamic republics, etc. All did not care about slavery. But then these pesky White Christians came and said NO to slavery. I hope they learn the lesson and be more cultural aware in future. "It is not slavery it is their society..." And keep themselves out of helping people.

you know east europeans are white? anyway lots of italians come to my eastern european city and we make it extra obvious we are racist against them so its even

by qnsi 5y ago

you know east europeans are white? anyway lots of italians come to my eastern european city and we make it extra obvious we are racist against them so its even

nix23 5y ago

Rome was NOT made by Italians (but most probably albans)...but hey they are really proud of the roman empire ;) But do you know were the word "slave" comes from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Terminology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Terminology >>Use of the word arose during the Early Medieval Period, when Slavs from Central and Eastern Europe (Saqaliba) were frequently enslaved by Moors from the Iberian Peninsula and North Africa. So brown/black peoples enslaved white peoples, but hey the US only thinks about sold black's by black peoples only, a slave can only be black..end of discussion.

Asooka 5y ago
Well, let's not put all Blacks under the same denominator, that sounds a bit racist. As a Slav, I hold no ill will towards them acting in a way that was appropriate for the time period. That said, I do find it ironic, that we had to remove all mentions of master/slave from our software products, so as to not offend our American customers. Again, I don't mind, but it's funny when you think about it.
- seoulmetro 5y ago
  You didn't have to. You wanted to. Lots of people wanted to. For no real reason other than to fit in or appease a mob. There's no "have to". You don't "have to" do much these days. I'm not letting people's stupid actions be marked as a "have to" when they're most definitely still stupid and still neither required nor appropriate. "I had to" rob the liquor store.

Asooka 5y ago

If you mean Slavs, the Coalition of Communities of Colour actually formally recognises us as people of colour. European everyday racism feels a bit different than American racism. It's the end result of many cultures interacting over centuries and accruing generational memories of when X group screwed them over. Meaning, everyone is equally racist to one another. Also, it's not based so much on physical race, as on group belonging. For example, often people from within a single country would be prejudiced to one another, based on the specific city one is born in. Depending on how the country borders get redrawn and what the government decides to call the ethnicity of people within them, those relations can technically flip between being racist and not. Basically, we can be casually racist with each other, because it's between equals. Americans can't, because it's between two groups, one of which used to inflict horrible human rights abuses over the other.

seoulmetro 5y ago
>Coalition of Communities of Colour Jesus. Talk about inventing problems from problems.
ipaddr 5y ago
America has many races. The majority are white or hispanic not black. The opportunities for someone who is black are so much more in America vs Europe. America is a big place. When you judge someone by birth location you are also judging someone based on race. Would you accept an Indian person born in Moscow as Russian or would you treat them as Indian? This is harmful..
qnsi 5y ago
so are Americans with Polish heritage people of color? There are about 3% of Americans that self-identify as Polish-Americans
raxxorrax 5y ago
> Coalition of Communities of Colour They probably would recognize me too, but I would decline association to be honest, regardless if it is the US or British variant. Also racism to me has a very specific definition. To believe people to be inferior because of extrinsic properties or ethnicity. Not every form of prejudice is racism of course. The only person I have ever met that though I was too brown was my dermatologist. Sure, others face racism, but it is also used to justify discrimination and I think that is moving backwards. The US has better understanding on multiculturalism but they changed course recently. It is progress as that is inevitable, but I don't see it improving anything.
superflit2 5y ago
"Basically, we can be casually racist with each other, because it's between equals. Americans can't, because it's between two groups, one of which used to inflict horrible human rights abuses over the other." I really enjoy the guilty/shame we put upon White Christians about slavery. Even being the *OnlY* people who fought to end the slavery. Black merchants/kings? Jesuit Company (Converted Jews), Islamic republics, etc. All did not care about slavery. But then these pesky White Christians came and said NO to slavery. I hope they learn the lesson and be more cultural aware in future. "It is not slavery it is their society..." And keep themselves out of helping people.