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Excellent analogy. I wonder if someone would be kind enough to shed some light on this graph: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/ https:/

by lbj 5y ago

Excellent analogy. I wonder if someone would be kind enough to shed some light on this graph: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/ If you scroll down to "Total Coronavirus Deaths" and click near the middle on December 11th, you'll notice a very rapid increase in deaths. December 11th was when we started vaccinating against covid. I'm not saying that the vax is killing people, but this is a diehard argument from those who are negative against the covid vaccine. What could a reasonable explanation be? PS: Someone filed for more insight with our national institute of health (SSI) and they replied that following the first shots in December 2020, about 4.500 people died within 30 days. This is generally understood to be because the group we vaccinated first was already above the mean expected age, so their time was already up so to speak, ie. death could have been caused by anything, including old age. I think it only caught the attention of the mainstream, because in all of 2020 we had a total of 1.250 "deaths with covid" whereof about 1.000 of these had more than 2 co-morbidities.

t0mas88 5y ago
There is a huge spike in active cases right before and after Dec 11th. More cases = more deaths.
- lbj 5y ago
  That's true, but what you can't tell from this graph was that in this period we went from 10.000 tests per day to almost 200.000, so I think that might account for must of the uptick in active cases in this period. During some of our biggest spikes the infection% has hovered around 2 - 3%. Present day we have about 430k active cases, which is almost 10% of the population, but the % is still 2.3%.
  - lordnacho 5y ago
    Testing more will uncover more benign cases, that's true, but it is also possible that people are testing more due to having more symptoms. Vaccination has continued in Denmark so if vaccines were killing people we'd expect to see that rocketing as Denmark has one of the highest vaccination rates. I think the causality is: More illness -> More people get tested More illness -> More people get vaccinated More illness -> More people die
    - lbj 5y ago
      I agree that if the vaccine was killing people, we'd be seeing mass death. Currently we are experiencing +15% all-cause mortality, where 2020 was around 0%. The reason we are testing 200k/day is because you don't have many options for moving around without a valid test or vaccine. Ie. school, shopping, work etc requires it.
      - daddylongstroke 5y ago
        Don't you think the +15% all-cause mortality is the "mass death" you would expect to see? Isn't it interesting that Pfizer originally publically under-reported all-cause-mortality numbers in March in the vaccinated group and then went ahead and provided the correct # of deaths in the vaccinated 4 months later? It looked like by their trials all-cause-mortality was identical in vax vs unvax'ed groups, but turns out 'statistically significant' higher number of deaths in the vaccinated group. Hmmmm.

by lbj 5y ago

t0mas88 5y ago

There is a huge spike in active cases right before and after Dec 11th. More cases = more deaths.

lbj 5y ago
That's true, but what you can't tell from this graph was that in this period we went from 10.000 tests per day to almost 200.000, so I think that might account for must of the uptick in active cases in this period. During some of our biggest spikes the infection% has hovered around 2 - 3%. Present day we have about 430k active cases, which is almost 10% of the population, but the % is still 2.3%.
- lordnacho 5y ago
  Testing more will uncover more benign cases, that's true, but it is also possible that people are testing more due to having more symptoms. Vaccination has continued in Denmark so if vaccines were killing people we'd expect to see that rocketing as Denmark has one of the highest vaccination rates. I think the causality is: More illness -> More people get tested More illness -> More people get vaccinated More illness -> More people die
  - lbj 5y ago
    I agree that if the vaccine was killing people, we'd be seeing mass death. Currently we are experiencing +15% all-cause mortality, where 2020 was around 0%. The reason we are testing 200k/day is because you don't have many options for moving around without a valid test or vaccine. Ie. school, shopping, work etc requires it.
    - daddylongstroke 5y ago
      Don't you think the +15% all-cause mortality is the "mass death" you would expect to see? Isn't it interesting that Pfizer originally publically under-reported all-cause-mortality numbers in March in the vaccinated group and then went ahead and provided the correct # of deaths in the vaccinated 4 months later? It looked like by their trials all-cause-mortality was identical in vax vs unvax'ed groups, but turns out 'statistically significant' higher number of deaths in the vaccinated group. Hmmmm.