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Public transit doesn't work if cars still have priority. A bus with 50 people in it should have a higher priority than 20 people in cars. Have dedicated bus l

Public transit doesn't work if cars still have priority. A bus with 50 people in it should have a higher priority than 20 people in cars. Have dedicated bus lanes for moving vehicles, not just decidated places to pull over at stops. Change traffic light patterns so that they preferentially give buses the right of way, so that 50 people in a bus aren't waiting on 3 people in cars on the cross street. Once you make public transit be the most convenient, people will take public transit. At the point, public transit expands, typically with more frequent buses/trains on a route. And that makes it even more convenient, because you no longer need to plan ahead to catch the hourly bus. And where does this leave drivers? Even better than they were at the start. Every bus on the road means that 50 fewer cars on the road. That reduces traffic congestion far more than any amount of counter-productive road expansions that ignore induced demand.

dmitrygr 5y ago
I will never take public transit, until I am sure I will not be stabbed in it (or catch Covid). So far no city in USA created this secure feeling. I don’t care what color the traffic lights are and how many bus only lanes there are. I suspect I am not the only one.
- tshaddox 5y ago
  Which US cities have you lived in where the chance of being stabbed on public transit is meaningfully higher than the chance of being stabbed in any other public place?
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  NYC had this feel in my experience from 2005 to 2015. Manhattan (central park and below) and the subways were basically Disney world with alcohol.
- nradov 5y ago
  SARS-CoV-2 is endemic and you will be exposed to it occasionally regardless of whether you take public transit or not. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
- blindmute 5y ago
  Pretty sure (without researching this at all) that you're more likely to die in your own car crash than to be stabbed in public transit OR die in a public transit crash, combined.
- rmah 5y ago
  On the NYC public transit system (subways and busses), there is 4 to 6 felonies per 1mil rides per year. That means, if you ride the public transit system twice a day, every day... you will, on average, be assaulted once every 274 years. In comparison, the US as a whole has a violent crime rate of 369 per 100,000 per year (2019). Or about about an average of 271 years for you to be a victim of violent crime. NYC has a slightly higher violent crime rate of 404 per 100,000 (2020) and is fairly safe as far as US cities go. In other words, the risk of violent crime rate by being a heavy user of public transit in the largest city of the USA is about the same as the overall violent crime rate of the USA as a whole.
  - ericbarrett 5y ago
    A felony would probably be for infliction of a life-threatening injury. I was punched in the face several times at the Broadway-Lafayette stop and the charge for the assaulting party was a misdemeanor. Still didn't make for a pleasant commute.
lotsofpulp 5y ago
> Once you make public transit be the most convenient And public transit will never be convenient as long as human operators are needed because convenient public transit means a train or bus every 5 to 10 minutes at most, and that labor is extremely expensive. And if you have to wait more than 5 minutes for public transit, especially in less than ideal weather, you are going to prefer a car. And once you have invested in a car, you are going to balk at the taxes need to provide public transit that has 5 minute intervals. You also need Tokyo like density to make those rapid transit intervals make sense.
- morsch 5y ago
  I'm all for public transport arriving every five minutes, but you realize you don't have to chance it, right? Those vehicles keep a schedule. Just be there a minute early.
  - coryrc 5y ago
    > Those vehicles keep a schedule You clearly haven't used KC Metro. (Though like this thread is pointing out, not exactly their fault we don't give them dedicated lanes).
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    Not my experience with NJ transit, MTA, and BART. Especially buses. I learned to build in huge volatility for travel times, having a car was incomparably more convenient than relying on buses.

dmitrygr 5y ago

I will never take public transit, until I am sure I will not be stabbed in it (or catch Covid). So far no city in USA created this secure feeling. I don’t care what color the traffic lights are and how many bus only lanes there are. I suspect I am not the only one.

tshaddox 5y ago
Which US cities have you lived in where the chance of being stabbed on public transit is meaningfully higher than the chance of being stabbed in any other public place?
lotsofpulp 5y ago
NYC had this feel in my experience from 2005 to 2015. Manhattan (central park and below) and the subways were basically Disney world with alcohol.
nradov 5y ago
SARS-CoV-2 is endemic and you will be exposed to it occasionally regardless of whether you take public transit or not. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
blindmute 5y ago
Pretty sure (without researching this at all) that you're more likely to die in your own car crash than to be stabbed in public transit OR die in a public transit crash, combined.
rmah 5y ago
On the NYC public transit system (subways and busses), there is 4 to 6 felonies per 1mil rides per year. That means, if you ride the public transit system twice a day, every day... you will, on average, be assaulted once every 274 years. In comparison, the US as a whole has a violent crime rate of 369 per 100,000 per year (2019). Or about about an average of 271 years for you to be a victim of violent crime. NYC has a slightly higher violent crime rate of 404 per 100,000 (2020) and is fairly safe as far as US cities go. In other words, the risk of violent crime rate by being a heavy user of public transit in the largest city of the USA is about the same as the overall violent crime rate of the USA as a whole.
- ericbarrett 5y ago
  A felony would probably be for infliction of a life-threatening injury. I was punched in the face several times at the Broadway-Lafayette stop and the charge for the assaulting party was a misdemeanor. Still didn't make for a pleasant commute.

lotsofpulp 5y ago

> Once you make public transit be the most convenient And public transit will never be convenient as long as human operators are needed because convenient public transit means a train or bus every 5 to 10 minutes at most, and that labor is extremely expensive. And if you have to wait more than 5 minutes for public transit, especially in less than ideal weather, you are going to prefer a car. And once you have invested in a car, you are going to balk at the taxes need to provide public transit that has 5 minute intervals. You also need Tokyo like density to make those rapid transit intervals make sense.

morsch 5y ago
I'm all for public transport arriving every five minutes, but you realize you don't have to chance it, right? Those vehicles keep a schedule. Just be there a minute early.
- coryrc 5y ago
  > Those vehicles keep a schedule You clearly haven't used KC Metro. (Though like this thread is pointing out, not exactly their fault we don't give them dedicated lanes).
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Not my experience with NJ transit, MTA, and BART. Especially buses. I learned to build in huge volatility for travel times, having a car was incomparably more convenient than relying on buses.