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1) $50/TB is not insane pricing relatively. I used to pay something like $3/GB (way back) which would be $3,000/TB. There are still plenty of folks charging hig

1) $50/TB is not insane pricing relatively. I used to pay something like $3/GB (way back) which would be $3,000/TB. There are still plenty of folks charging high rates. 2) $50/TB may not be a big part of some customers bills. If it is on cloudfront you drop to 0.02/GB or $20/TB for larger volumes. 3) AWS doesn't charge separately for some services that wrap around networking. Their nitro instances have a pretty good networking story. 4) Especially with this new free tier on cloudfront, a fair number of users will never hit 1TB per month (free) data.

api 5y ago
It’s absolutely insane compared with what bare metal providers charge.
- VWWHFSfQ 5y ago
  what do bare metal providers charge
  - teraflop 5y ago
    Just as an example: Hetzner's dedicated servers, which start around US$30/month, come with unlimited 1gbit connections (really unlimited, not "unlimited until we decide to throttle you"). If you max out that connection non-stop, you can push about 330 TB/month. The same amount of bandwidth from EC2 would cost roughly US$20,000.
    - FpUser 5y ago
      Dedicated servers from Hetzner and OVH is what I use. Very sweet deals they have.
    - spenczar5 5y ago
      Are you actually able to max that out to all network peers? Have you measured this? That sounds fantastic.
      - api 5y ago
        No direct experience with Hetzner but for DataPacket, OVH, and FDCservers the answer is yes. These companies are still pretty profitable. If you colocate your own hardware you can go even lower than the bare metal hosts.
  - YarickR2 5y ago
    $500/mo unlimited egress
    - arthurcolle 5y ago
      Damn that is wild when you just look at the absolute figures. Really? Where? Hetzner or some other bare metal provider?
    - whoknowswhat11 5y ago
      These are not real numbers. I've tried the "free" and "unlimited" providers. They will drop you if you take them up on their offers.
  - Matheus28 5y ago
    Most are unlimited. But the ones where you have an actual bandwidth cap, it comes out at less than $5/TB (if we're including the machine itself), the bandwidth itself, probably less than $1/TB
  - mythz 5y ago
    https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud gives you 20TB free bandwidth a month for all its servers, including its €3.49/mo VMs. They also offer comparatively much cheaper hardware, which is why I've been using them for all my heavy workloads for 8+ years.
  - api 5y ago
    Go to datapacket.com or hetzner.com for examples. VPS providers like Vultr and Digital Ocean are a bit more but still a lot cheaper than the big three. Bandwidth prices at the big clouds are ludicrously high.
  - mdale 5y ago
    Some bare metal providers have allocation based on server provisioning rather than specific egress limits. But CloudFront is cheaper with commit pricing because CF commit pricing is very very cheap and you have to factor in the cost of said reverse proxy nodes and only so much can be delivered per node. As you factor in management of the nodes it becomes even more favorable to the hyper scaler like CloudFront. I have seen large scale deals where CloudFront comes in cheaper than what the smaller CDNs built on bare mantel can reasonably offer even with sizable commits.
- sofixa 5y ago
  But that's apples and oranges... With AWS you get VPCs, Security Groups, NACLs, flow logs, DDoS protection (limited), public IPv4s, custom hardware to make sure you can actually use the 10/40/100Gbps pipe on your server, etc. etc. for "free" ( you only pay for those via bandwidth). The best most bare metal providers have is a firewall(security groups), and that's it.
  - lpcvoid 5y ago
    I can get all the things you stated, including "unlimited" bandwidth for a few bucks a month if I just rent a VPS. I never understood the flocking to AWS. Does nobody like running a server anymore?
    - sofixa 5y ago
      Most VPS providers don't have VPCs ( private network for all your VPS), or flow logs, and charge you for extra public IPs.
    - api 5y ago
      > I never understood the flocking to AWS. Nobody ever got fired for using AWS. BTW you don't need to "run your own server" per se on the bare metal or VPS providers. You can auto-provision with Terraform, run Kubernetes or Nomad/Consul, etc. You have to do some work to set up your templates and the environment you will use but once it's created you can stamp out copies of it endlessly. There are cases where AWS et. al. make sense. The bottom line is that you need to do your own spreadsheets modeling your own workload and compare costs. Include extra labor for managing your own stuff and compare it to the added costs of AWS. What you'll often find is that AWS and such are cheaper at a small to medium scale and DIY becomes cheaper (sometimes radically so) at larger scale.
    - mwcampbell 5y ago
      I don't like being bound to a particular machine (including indirectly via a VM) and having to manually intervene if something goes wrong with that machine. AWS auto scaling, and the equivalent feature from the other big cloud providers, frees me from that.

api 5y ago

It’s absolutely insane compared with what bare metal providers charge.

VWWHFSfQ 5y ago
what do bare metal providers charge
- teraflop 5y ago
  Just as an example: Hetzner's dedicated servers, which start around US$30/month, come with unlimited 1gbit connections (really unlimited, not "unlimited until we decide to throttle you"). If you max out that connection non-stop, you can push about 330 TB/month. The same amount of bandwidth from EC2 would cost roughly US$20,000.
  - FpUser 5y ago
    Dedicated servers from Hetzner and OVH is what I use. Very sweet deals they have.
  - spenczar5 5y ago
    Are you actually able to max that out to all network peers? Have you measured this? That sounds fantastic.
    - api 5y ago
      No direct experience with Hetzner but for DataPacket, OVH, and FDCservers the answer is yes. These companies are still pretty profitable. If you colocate your own hardware you can go even lower than the bare metal hosts.
- YarickR2 5y ago
  $500/mo unlimited egress
  - arthurcolle 5y ago
    Damn that is wild when you just look at the absolute figures. Really? Where? Hetzner or some other bare metal provider?
  - whoknowswhat11 5y ago
    These are not real numbers. I've tried the "free" and "unlimited" providers. They will drop you if you take them up on their offers.
- Matheus28 5y ago
  Most are unlimited. But the ones where you have an actual bandwidth cap, it comes out at less than $5/TB (if we're including the machine itself), the bandwidth itself, probably less than $1/TB
- mythz 5y ago
  https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud gives you 20TB free bandwidth a month for all its servers, including its €3.49/mo VMs. They also offer comparatively much cheaper hardware, which is why I've been using them for all my heavy workloads for 8+ years.
- api 5y ago
  Go to datapacket.com or hetzner.com for examples. VPS providers like Vultr and Digital Ocean are a bit more but still a lot cheaper than the big three. Bandwidth prices at the big clouds are ludicrously high.
- mdale 5y ago
  Some bare metal providers have allocation based on server provisioning rather than specific egress limits. But CloudFront is cheaper with commit pricing because CF commit pricing is very very cheap and you have to factor in the cost of said reverse proxy nodes and only so much can be delivered per node. As you factor in management of the nodes it becomes even more favorable to the hyper scaler like CloudFront. I have seen large scale deals where CloudFront comes in cheaper than what the smaller CDNs built on bare mantel can reasonably offer even with sizable commits.
sofixa 5y ago
But that's apples and oranges... With AWS you get VPCs, Security Groups, NACLs, flow logs, DDoS protection (limited), public IPv4s, custom hardware to make sure you can actually use the 10/40/100Gbps pipe on your server, etc. etc. for "free" ( you only pay for those via bandwidth). The best most bare metal providers have is a firewall(security groups), and that's it.
- lpcvoid 5y ago
  I can get all the things you stated, including "unlimited" bandwidth for a few bucks a month if I just rent a VPS. I never understood the flocking to AWS. Does nobody like running a server anymore?
  - sofixa 5y ago
    Most VPS providers don't have VPCs ( private network for all your VPS), or flow logs, and charge you for extra public IPs.
  - api 5y ago
    > I never understood the flocking to AWS. Nobody ever got fired for using AWS. BTW you don't need to "run your own server" per se on the bare metal or VPS providers. You can auto-provision with Terraform, run Kubernetes or Nomad/Consul, etc. You have to do some work to set up your templates and the environment you will use but once it's created you can stamp out copies of it endlessly. There are cases where AWS et. al. make sense. The bottom line is that you need to do your own spreadsheets modeling your own workload and compare costs. Include extra labor for managing your own stuff and compare it to the added costs of AWS. What you'll often find is that AWS and such are cheaper at a small to medium scale and DIY becomes cheaper (sometimes radically so) at larger scale.
  - mwcampbell 5y ago
    I don't like being bound to a particular machine (including indirectly via a VM) and having to manually intervene if something goes wrong with that machine. AWS auto scaling, and the equivalent feature from the other big cloud providers, frees me from that.