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> Does anybody think these variants will ever stop? We have managed to clear out measles, so we should be able to stop COVID as well with high enough vaccinati

> Does anybody think these variants will ever stop? We have managed to clear out measles, so we should be able to stop COVID as well with high enough vaccination rates. Although this is not apples-to-apples comparison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_vaccine

mellavora 5y ago
We were close to clearing out measles in western countries until the anti-vax movement came along. These days, not so much.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  What is the fraction of the population who is anti-vax with regard to measles? I don't know anyone. I do know many people who are reluctant/refusing to get the COVID vax.
- makomk 5y ago
  Peak anti-vax for measles was like two decades ago, at least over here in the UK - we were at pretty much an all-time record high for MMR vaccinations of kids before Covid came along and disrupted all the vaccination programs. (I know the BBC ran a very misleading article making it sound like Facebook was causing a vaccination crisis and putting us at risk of a measles outbreak, but in reality the actual danger is from all the people who weren't vaccinated years ago due in part to their own bad reporting.)
elzbardico 5y ago
Did we clear the flu? No, it is endemic. The same is what will happen with COVID.
timr 5y ago
> We have managed to clear out measles No, we have not. In fact, there has been a rather significant resurgence in measles over the course of the last two years. One of the many side-effects of our reaction to Covid that is not properly accounted. https://www.who.int/news/item/10-11-2021-global-progress-against-measles-threatened-amidst-covid-19-pandemic https://www.who.int/news/item/10-11-2021-global-progress-aga... https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/11/1077482 https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/11/1077482 https://www.outbreakobservatory.org/outbreakthursday-1/3/11/2021/worldwide-measles-cases-climb https://www.outbreakobservatory.org/outbreakthursday-1/3/11/...
- kaba0 5y ago
  It is in great part due to idiot anti-vaxxers…
  - timr 5y ago
    Stop. The articles explicitly tell you that the rate of people missing vaccines went up during global lockdowns. People missed their appointments and stopped vaccinating their children.
- tenuousemphasis 5y ago
  Which reaction to COVID are you crediting with the resurgence in measles exactly?
j3th9n 5y ago
Read about the differences in mutation for maesles and corona viruses and you'll probably never make this comparison again.
busymom0 5y ago
Measles is a VERY different virus than COVID and even flu. > The surface proteins that the measles virus uses to enter cells are ineffective if they suffer any mutation, meaning that any changes to the virus come at a major cost. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150521133628.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150521133628.h... Since the COVID shots doesn't prevent catching and transmitting the virus, at least the current shots aren't going to achieve herd immunity / get rid of COVID. AstraZeneca vaccine's lead researcher and head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, Andrew Pollard, stated that the "idea of achieving herd immunity is mythical" and "not a possibility" because "vaccinated people can still be infected and transmit the virus". He also warned against making any vaccination policies and programs based on the idea of herd immunity because the virus may mutate to an even more transmissible variant among vaccinated populations. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-wi...
- toshk 5y ago
  Yet it seems that's the road we are taking. Some bro science: In 5-10 year heard immunity is what will happen. Every year it will be a little less. Vaccines and other medicines will dampen the casualties. Partial lockdowns and restrictions will be kept in place so it doesn't get too much out of control. Kids and teenager will grow up with corona being just one of the viruses they get among many others and build up, it not a full immunity at least a decent ability to handle it. And slowly less and less it will control our society. But will definitely take a while.
tinus_hn 5y ago
Considering covid spreads through wildlife, unless you succeed in vaccinating every monkey in the jungle that’s never going to happen.
- throwawayForMe2 5y ago
  Deer seem to be big carriers also, 80% infected in one study https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/deer-identified-as-widespread-carrier-of-coronavirus-study/ https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/deer-identified-as-widespread-...
- dennis_jeeves 5y ago
  How about passing a lockdown law and ticketing every monkey who disobeys?

mellavora 5y ago

We were close to clearing out measles in western countries until the anti-vax movement came along. These days, not so much.

throwawayboise 5y ago
What is the fraction of the population who is anti-vax with regard to measles? I don't know anyone. I do know many people who are reluctant/refusing to get the COVID vax.
makomk 5y ago
Peak anti-vax for measles was like two decades ago, at least over here in the UK - we were at pretty much an all-time record high for MMR vaccinations of kids before Covid came along and disrupted all the vaccination programs. (I know the BBC ran a very misleading article making it sound like Facebook was causing a vaccination crisis and putting us at risk of a measles outbreak, but in reality the actual danger is from all the people who weren't vaccinated years ago due in part to their own bad reporting.)

elzbardico 5y ago

Did we clear the flu? No, it is endemic. The same is what will happen with COVID.

timr 5y ago

> We have managed to clear out measles No, we have not. In fact, there has been a rather significant resurgence in measles over the course of the last two years. One of the many side-effects of our reaction to Covid that is not properly accounted. https://www.who.int/news/item/10-11-2021-global-progress-against-measles-threatened-amidst-covid-19-pandemic https://www.who.int/news/item/10-11-2021-global-progress-aga... https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/11/1077482 https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/11/1077482 https://www.outbreakobservatory.org/outbreakthursday-1/3/11/2021/worldwide-measles-cases-climb https://www.outbreakobservatory.org/outbreakthursday-1/3/11/...

kaba0 5y ago
It is in great part due to idiot anti-vaxxers…
- timr 5y ago
  Stop. The articles explicitly tell you that the rate of people missing vaccines went up during global lockdowns. People missed their appointments and stopped vaccinating their children.
tenuousemphasis 5y ago
Which reaction to COVID are you crediting with the resurgence in measles exactly?

j3th9n 5y ago

Read about the differences in mutation for maesles and corona viruses and you'll probably never make this comparison again.

busymom0 5y ago

Measles is a VERY different virus than COVID and even flu. > The surface proteins that the measles virus uses to enter cells are ineffective if they suffer any mutation, meaning that any changes to the virus come at a major cost. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150521133628.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150521133628.h... Since the COVID shots doesn't prevent catching and transmitting the virus, at least the current shots aren't going to achieve herd immunity / get rid of COVID. AstraZeneca vaccine's lead researcher and head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, Andrew Pollard, stated that the "idea of achieving herd immunity is mythical" and "not a possibility" because "vaccinated people can still be infected and transmit the virus". He also warned against making any vaccination policies and programs based on the idea of herd immunity because the virus may mutate to an even more transmissible variant among vaccinated populations. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-wi...

toshk 5y ago
Yet it seems that's the road we are taking. Some bro science: In 5-10 year heard immunity is what will happen. Every year it will be a little less. Vaccines and other medicines will dampen the casualties. Partial lockdowns and restrictions will be kept in place so it doesn't get too much out of control. Kids and teenager will grow up with corona being just one of the viruses they get among many others and build up, it not a full immunity at least a decent ability to handle it. And slowly less and less it will control our society. But will definitely take a while.

tinus_hn 5y ago

Considering covid spreads through wildlife, unless you succeed in vaccinating every monkey in the jungle that’s never going to happen.

throwawayForMe2 5y ago
Deer seem to be big carriers also, 80% infected in one study https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/deer-identified-as-widespread-carrier-of-coronavirus-study/ https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/deer-identified-as-widespread-...
dennis_jeeves 5y ago
How about passing a lockdown law and ticketing every monkey who disobeys?