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> Will people ever get over sensationalism and learn to live it? You see, that's the crux of the matter: Not everyone can live with it. Literally. So far, it k

by hh3k0 5y ago

> Will people ever get over sensationalism and learn to live it? You see, that's the crux of the matter: Not everyone can live with it. Literally. So far, it killed more than 5 million people globally. There is also the issue with possibly lasting brain damage (even occuring in cases that weren't severe enough for hospitalization) and life-wrecking long covid. Compassionate people have a problem ignoring all that.

webdoodle 5y ago
Heart disease has killed more people in the same time period, but the MSM hasn't stopped running Coke and Pepsi ads.
acqbu 5y ago
Compassionate people should have a problem with being enslaved, mentally and physically, by a disease that, according to your stats has killed 0.06% of the world population - albeit, it's debatable how many people died as a direct result of it.
- CyanBird 5y ago
  I know 5 people personally that have died of this virus, forgive me if I take offense at your hand waving of it
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    That doesn't mean any of these NPI's work, are ethical, or are worth their immense cost to society. It is entirely possible to "take this serious" but feel that society is causing itself far more harm with all these measures than it would have by doing absolutely nothing at all. None of these thing were in any playbook prior to march of 2020. And here we are almost a month from 2022 still working from this unwritten, untested playbook and still we have no clue if any of it works. About the only thing we know works is vaccines and all these cool treatments we've figured out.
    - chipotle_coyote 5y ago
      > None of these thing were in any playbook prior to march of 2020. Which things do you think are wild new tactics for trying to contain a pandemic? Social distancing? Lockdowns? Wearing masks in public? Because if you think any of those are untested wacky "nobody's ever tried anything like this before!" approaches, you need to spend a few more minutes with your favorite search engine.
      - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
        You've been severely misinformed. You can read for example the UK's pre-pandemic playbook at (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/213717/dh_131040.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...) - note they specifically call out universal masking, border closures, and restrictions on public gatherings as bad policies they don't plan to implement because there's no good evidence they help. Maybe they were wrong (I definitely think they were wrong on masks!), or maybe the difference between true influenza and a coronavirus with similar symptoms matters, but it's just not accurate to present these kinds of policies as the pre-pandemic consensus.
    - proactivesvcs 5y ago
      Masks are cheap and simple with no drawbacks. Ventilation is easy in many cases. Keeping one's distance costs nothing (which is not the be-all of social distancing, I agree). Vaccines are free. These are all ethical, very effective and cost the individual almost nothing. Enforcing social distancing is complex and incurs costs. For outdoor venues it seems to be less effective. What other methods are causing far more harm than good, far more harm than doing nothing?
      - LogonType10 5y ago
        > Keeping one's distance costs nothing (which is not the be-all of social distancing, I agree). Actually this costs trillions of dollars.[0] [0] https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-domestic-product-2nd-quarter-2020-advance-estimate-and-annual-update https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-domestic-product-2nd-qua...
  - johncena33 5y ago
    I know 2 young perfectly physically healthy people personally whose mental health deteoriorated to the point that they became suicidal. So forgive me if I take offense at your comment.
- plutonorm 5y ago
  then you should also have problem with capitalism/plutocracy.
  - School-Cotton 5y ago
    I think nearly everyone except ardent libertarian ideologues has at least some criticisms of capitalism, yes. But how is that related to the present discussion?
School-Cotton 5y ago
Assuming you're going to live for 50 more years from today, wasting a year of your life is only worth it if it prevents a 2% chance of death.
- TechBro8615 5y ago
  This assumes every year of life has equal worth.
  - School-Cotton 5y ago
    Indeed. If you assume that earlier years are worth more, the point is even stronger.
    - hh3k0 5y ago
      Your calculation needs to take loss in quality of life due to a) contracting long COVID, b) suffering a COVID-induced stroke, or c) living with brain damage post-COVID into account. Furthermore, you should consider that mutations will run rampant if laissez-faire policies are implemented; a variant with increased lethality might come along and cut your life short.
- andybak 5y ago
  I haven't wasted a year of my life. I've slightly modified my behaviour. I've done some things less and other things more.
- proactivesvcs 5y ago
  Multiplied by however many hundreds of people one encounters over a year, perhaps your numbers need work.

by hh3k0 5y ago

webdoodle 5y ago

Heart disease has killed more people in the same time period, but the MSM hasn't stopped running Coke and Pepsi ads.

acqbu 5y ago

Compassionate people should have a problem with being enslaved, mentally and physically, by a disease that, according to your stats has killed 0.06% of the world population - albeit, it's debatable how many people died as a direct result of it.

CyanBird 5y ago
I know 5 people personally that have died of this virus, forgive me if I take offense at your hand waving of it
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  That doesn't mean any of these NPI's work, are ethical, or are worth their immense cost to society. It is entirely possible to "take this serious" but feel that society is causing itself far more harm with all these measures than it would have by doing absolutely nothing at all. None of these thing were in any playbook prior to march of 2020. And here we are almost a month from 2022 still working from this unwritten, untested playbook and still we have no clue if any of it works. About the only thing we know works is vaccines and all these cool treatments we've figured out.
  - chipotle_coyote 5y ago
    > None of these thing were in any playbook prior to march of 2020. Which things do you think are wild new tactics for trying to contain a pandemic? Social distancing? Lockdowns? Wearing masks in public? Because if you think any of those are untested wacky "nobody's ever tried anything like this before!" approaches, you need to spend a few more minutes with your favorite search engine.
    - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
      You've been severely misinformed. You can read for example the UK's pre-pandemic playbook at (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/213717/dh_131040.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...) - note they specifically call out universal masking, border closures, and restrictions on public gatherings as bad policies they don't plan to implement because there's no good evidence they help. Maybe they were wrong (I definitely think they were wrong on masks!), or maybe the difference between true influenza and a coronavirus with similar symptoms matters, but it's just not accurate to present these kinds of policies as the pre-pandemic consensus.
  - proactivesvcs 5y ago
    Masks are cheap and simple with no drawbacks. Ventilation is easy in many cases. Keeping one's distance costs nothing (which is not the be-all of social distancing, I agree). Vaccines are free. These are all ethical, very effective and cost the individual almost nothing. Enforcing social distancing is complex and incurs costs. For outdoor venues it seems to be less effective. What other methods are causing far more harm than good, far more harm than doing nothing?
    - LogonType10 5y ago
      > Keeping one's distance costs nothing (which is not the be-all of social distancing, I agree). Actually this costs trillions of dollars.[0] [0] https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-domestic-product-2nd-quarter-2020-advance-estimate-and-annual-update https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-domestic-product-2nd-qua...
- johncena33 5y ago
  I know 2 young perfectly physically healthy people personally whose mental health deteoriorated to the point that they became suicidal. So forgive me if I take offense at your comment.
plutonorm 5y ago
then you should also have problem with capitalism/plutocracy.
- School-Cotton 5y ago
  I think nearly everyone except ardent libertarian ideologues has at least some criticisms of capitalism, yes. But how is that related to the present discussion?

School-Cotton 5y ago

Assuming you're going to live for 50 more years from today, wasting a year of your life is only worth it if it prevents a 2% chance of death.

TechBro8615 5y ago
This assumes every year of life has equal worth.
- School-Cotton 5y ago
  Indeed. If you assume that earlier years are worth more, the point is even stronger.
  - hh3k0 5y ago
    Your calculation needs to take loss in quality of life due to a) contracting long COVID, b) suffering a COVID-induced stroke, or c) living with brain damage post-COVID into account. Furthermore, you should consider that mutations will run rampant if laissez-faire policies are implemented; a variant with increased lethality might come along and cut your life short.
andybak 5y ago
I haven't wasted a year of my life. I've slightly modified my behaviour. I've done some things less and other things more.
proactivesvcs 5y ago
Multiplied by however many hundreds of people one encounters over a year, perhaps your numbers need work.