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I love the ideas behind pinephone, but I think it's just not powerful enough. I'm not sure if there's enough access to more powerful mobile phone processors tho

by nynx 5y ago

I love the ideas behind pinephone, but I think it's just not powerful enough. I'm not sure if there's enough access to more powerful mobile phone processors though.

alexmcc81 5y ago
The new Pro model has a significantly better processor. They're using a binned and underclocked 28nm Rockchip RK3399S 64bit SoC – 2x A72 and 4x A53 CPU cores @ 1.5GHz. The They used an A64 in the base model which was a 40nm Quad-Core ARM Cortex-A53.
sleepysysadmin 5y ago
I bought the pinebook pro and ya it just doesnt quite have the power I want it to, but on flipside the lack of power gives the giant battery tons of runtime. But for the pinephone. I really want >= 32mp camera. Whereas 5MP is ridiculous and 2MP selfie? You're right it's slow, it's not quite figured out entirely. Pinephone pro coming soon and also doesn't quite hit the wants for me. It does look fast though in specs.
- onkoe 5y ago
  A beefy camera would be very interesting to work with. As of now, our phones do a ton of proprietary processing which makes open source/external solutions... suck. I'd love to have a decent open source camera app with the capacities of something like GCam.
  - sleepysysadmin 5y ago
    >A beefy camera would be very interesting to work with. As of now, our phones do a ton of proprietary processing which makes open source/external solutions... suck. I'd love to have a decent open source camera app with the capacities of something like GCam. I'm a big fan of open source, literally have open source projects with many stars on github. However, I'm not one of those 'no proprietary blobs' folks. Sony has a camera chip that's awesome, available, but comes with a blob? Fine with me.
    - onkoe 5y ago
      Me neither, though if there's a decent and open source solution available, you know that's going on my devices ;)
paulcarroty 5y ago
PostmarkerOS currently support some Snapdragon 845 and Snapdragon 821 devices, so you're not limited by pinephone.
- fsflover 5y ago
  But AFAIK in this case, you're limited by the proprietary firmware tied to old Linux kernels.
  - MartijnBraam 5y ago
    No, 845 runs on mainline, my OnePlus 6 is on an 5.16 release candidate at the moment.
    - cosmojg 5y ago
      How's the experience so far? Does everything work?
    - fsflover 5y ago
      How does it work without free drivers? Will it run on all future kernels?
fsflover 5y ago
Librem 5 is significantly more powerful, despite the CPU is the same. Much faster RAM, GPU etc.
- ognarb 5y ago
  The Pinephone Pro coming soon is probably a way better deal than the Librem 5. Pine64 is also way more trustworthy than Purism, who is constantly lying about their products.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > who is constantly lying about their products This is a bold claim. They have a history of delays, but lying is not what they do.
    - ognarb 5y ago
      Just look at the latest post on r/Purism on how people have a really hard time to get some refunds. * https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/r1n6a9/this_is_a_public_service_announcement_stay_clear/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/r1n6a9/this_is_a_pu... * https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/qyhc04/i_will_avoid_all_future_interactions_with_this/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/qyhc04/i_will_avoid... * https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/quz8t4/a_year_and_a_half_later_and_i_finally_got_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/quz8t4/a_year_and_a...
      - fsflover 5y ago
        They've been having a hard time with the funds, so they probably have to delay refunds in order not to go bankrupt. Recently they got some inestments, so it should get better: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27949435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27949435. This is not exactly "constantly lying about their products".
        filmgirlcw 5y ago
mindslight 5y ago
Powerful enough for what? Get rid of regressive virtual machines and surveillance framework bloat and there's much less computation to be done. I'd love for the Free software mobile ecosystem the coalesce around lower power processors and resource-respecting languages.
ttarr 5y ago
The first iPhone had a slower SoC, yet it felt way faster. I think there is room for improvement on the software side to make things faster.

by nynx 5y ago

I love the ideas behind pinephone, but I think it's just not powerful enough. I'm not sure if there's enough access to more powerful mobile phone processors though.

alexmcc81 5y ago

The new Pro model has a significantly better processor. They're using a binned and underclocked 28nm Rockchip RK3399S 64bit SoC – 2x A72 and 4x A53 CPU cores @ 1.5GHz. The They used an A64 in the base model which was a 40nm Quad-Core ARM Cortex-A53.

sleepysysadmin 5y ago

I bought the pinebook pro and ya it just doesnt quite have the power I want it to, but on flipside the lack of power gives the giant battery tons of runtime. But for the pinephone. I really want >= 32mp camera. Whereas 5MP is ridiculous and 2MP selfie? You're right it's slow, it's not quite figured out entirely. Pinephone pro coming soon and also doesn't quite hit the wants for me. It does look fast though in specs.

onkoe 5y ago
A beefy camera would be very interesting to work with. As of now, our phones do a ton of proprietary processing which makes open source/external solutions... suck. I'd love to have a decent open source camera app with the capacities of something like GCam.
- sleepysysadmin 5y ago
  >A beefy camera would be very interesting to work with. As of now, our phones do a ton of proprietary processing which makes open source/external solutions... suck. I'd love to have a decent open source camera app with the capacities of something like GCam. I'm a big fan of open source, literally have open source projects with many stars on github. However, I'm not one of those 'no proprietary blobs' folks. Sony has a camera chip that's awesome, available, but comes with a blob? Fine with me.
  - onkoe 5y ago
    Me neither, though if there's a decent and open source solution available, you know that's going on my devices ;)

paulcarroty 5y ago

PostmarkerOS currently support some Snapdragon 845 and Snapdragon 821 devices, so you're not limited by pinephone.

fsflover 5y ago
But AFAIK in this case, you're limited by the proprietary firmware tied to old Linux kernels.
- MartijnBraam 5y ago
  No, 845 runs on mainline, my OnePlus 6 is on an 5.16 release candidate at the moment.
  - cosmojg 5y ago
    How's the experience so far? Does everything work?
  - fsflover 5y ago
    How does it work without free drivers? Will it run on all future kernels?

fsflover 5y ago

Librem 5 is significantly more powerful, despite the CPU is the same. Much faster RAM, GPU etc.

ognarb 5y ago
The Pinephone Pro coming soon is probably a way better deal than the Librem 5. Pine64 is also way more trustworthy than Purism, who is constantly lying about their products.
- fsflover 5y ago
  > who is constantly lying about their products This is a bold claim. They have a history of delays, but lying is not what they do.
  - ognarb 5y ago
    Just look at the latest post on r/Purism on how people have a really hard time to get some refunds. * https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/r1n6a9/this_is_a_public_service_announcement_stay_clear/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/r1n6a9/this_is_a_pu... * https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/qyhc04/i_will_avoid_all_future_interactions_with_this/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/qyhc04/i_will_avoid... * https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/quz8t4/a_year_and_a_half_later_and_i_finally_got_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/quz8t4/a_year_and_a...
    - fsflover 5y ago
      They've been having a hard time with the funds, so they probably have to delay refunds in order not to go bankrupt. Recently they got some inestments, so it should get better: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27949435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27949435. This is not exactly "constantly lying about their products".
      - filmgirlcw 5y ago

mindslight 5y ago

Powerful enough for what? Get rid of regressive virtual machines and surveillance framework bloat and there's much less computation to be done. I'd love for the Free software mobile ecosystem the coalesce around lower power processors and resource-respecting languages.

ttarr 5y ago

The first iPhone had a slower SoC, yet it felt way faster. I think there is room for improvement on the software side to make things faster.