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Show HN: Randomly create beautiful website layouts

317 points by kemyd 5y ago

nvilcins 5y ago
Dummy question from a non-front-end dev: What is the simplest way to host this project as it is on the web? (as a static page, no additional functionality)
- Dangeranger 5y ago
  Try out Netlify, their developer experience is excellent and the platform can grow with you if you need more features beyond the free tier.
- kemyd 5y ago
  Hey, We export standard HTML/CSS files (or JS / JSX for Material-UI libraries). You can publish them via Netlify (as mentioned above) or any other hosting for static pages. You can check examples of exported sources here: https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip (the link is also available in our editor when exporting a project)
- codetrotter 5y ago
  I’ve been self-hosting websites for years on a VPS but as I have been using Cloudflare for DNS management and for their CDN features, I made the jump over to Cloudflare Pages a few days ago. Cloudflare Pages was trivially easy to set up, complete with GitHub integration and I can heartily recommend it. https://pages.cloudflare.com/ https://pages.cloudflare.com/ The sites I’m hosting are plain old static sites. I have a separate private repository for each site on GitHub, with all of the html files and the few images and such that the sites have, just as I always had, but now when I push commits to these repos they are automatically pulled and deployed by Cloudflare Pages and basically all I had to do was to enable GitHub integration, choose the repository, tell Cloudflare how to “build” it, which because everything is static the “build” command in my case is simply: cp -R htdocs dist With htdocs just being a directory of static content inside of any of my website repositories for the site in question, to keep the content I want to serve separate from things like the README.md and other files that I also have in each repo. Then I told Cloudflare Pages that the “build” output is in the “dist” directory. It’s great!
kemyd 5y ago
Hey! We wondered what to do to make building layouts even faster while adding more fun elements to our daily work. After a while, the inspiration came! Why not randomize the components while having fun, like at a slot machine in a casino? The idea generator combines available UI components into finished layouts. You choose the technology, the library, click "Shuffle!" and boom, ready-made layout. Click again, and you have a new layout. Based on our No AI®, and No Blockchain®, and Pure Random® technology. ;) What do you think?
- ddoice 5y ago
  Love that no-buzzword approach (:
- onassar 5y ago
  Really gr8. Clever idea :)
  - kemyd 5y ago
    Thanks!
- kleiba 5y ago
  I think it's a great idea, but perhaps it's not different enough from a collection of templates that you can scroll through (which are also in some "random" order, of course)?
  - kemyd 5y ago
    Hey, if you don't trust our random algorithms, you can browse all our UI components linearly here: https://shuffle.dev/components https://shuffle.dev/components
    - pokepim 5y ago
      I spent whole afternoon today thinking which template kit to buy so that I get nice set of component with neat design. There were so many of them so it was tough choice. But i think i’m going to get lifetime access to your service instead. I just wonder if you are planning on adding more components in different design style? Like the Tailwind CSS brutalist style (i think codeacademy uses something similar)
toinbis 5y ago
Wonderful idea, great implementation! Would love to see you guys partnering with TailwindUI somehow. That's my default go-to ui widgets library (it's not open source, so it might be challenging to find a proper partnership model with them). Just bought a lifetime subscription. And as I already do have subscription - my last recommendation is to switch to monthly subscription model as soon as you can. Monthly subscriptions is just so much more profitable pricing model:) Congrats again on shipping great product! Edit: typos.
- kemyd 5y ago
  Thanks for the kind word and your insights! We're investing in our UI libraries, and I hope we become your "default go-to UI widgets library" soon ;)
  - toinbis 5y ago
    Haha - wonderful, good plan, fingers croseed! :)
- bladegash 5y ago
  You used to be able to import TailwindUI’s components to Shuffle’s VSCode extension, but I’m not sure if that is still the case (or if it was ever condoned).
  - steve_adams_86 5y ago
    I believe tailwind ui’s license agreement specifically forbids using it in website generators
    - bladegash 5y ago
      It was not really a website generator when in the VSCode extension. It was more of a copy and paste into your editor, with a easier way of viewing the components available (e.g., via dropdown in the editor).
  - kemyd 5y ago
marban 5y ago
A million layouts that will make you look like everybody else ;)
- kemyd 5y ago
  Plot twist -> You can customize it in our visual editor ;)
- djhn 5y ago
  Is there "original" "web design" that is easy to use? Unless we're talking about art projects, or front end developers' portfolios, I don't really want particularly "original" web design - especially in terms of layout and navigation.
wink 5y ago
The idea is great, but I was surprised there's not a single "page template" that looks like a boring old wordpress blog, i.e. 2 column layout with maybe a header nav.
- kemyd 5y ago
  Hey, in the first release, we focus on general-purpose landing pages. We will develop this tool further. No worries! Also, in December, we are adding WordPress theme export to our editor. This will be a great time to update the configurator with "WordPress-like" templates :)
Crazyontap 5y ago
I see you submitted the same link yesterday but didn't get any traction. Genuinely curious if HN allows consecutive re-submissions? Couldn't find anything in the guidelines / dang's comments either. Anyway, I'm working on a Show HN myself and it would be great to know if it breaks any rules to submit the same project again especially if it doesn't get traction previously.
- kemyd 5y ago
  Hey, I read in an article that I found on Hacker News that "a small number of reposts is ok." They recommended trying with a different title and waiting 1-3 days between reposts. What I can recommend you personally is.. don't use "click bait" title. My first submission had this kind of title (even if mathematically it has been correct).
- asicsp 5y ago
  From FAQ (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) >Are reposts ok? >If a story has not had significant attention in the last year or so, a small number of reposts is ok. Otherwise we bury reposts as duplicates. >Please don't delete and repost the same story. Deletion is for things that shouldn't have been submitted in the first place.
thomcano 5y ago
This is a great execution on your part, I have been planning to create a website, and then I saw this post; I had fun tinkering at the shuffle editor. I think I'll consider this one for later.
- kemyd 5y ago
  Great! :D
chiefalchemist 5y ago
So the output is markup, CSS and JS and I can take that and do whatever I want with it? Similar to Bootstrap Studio, if you're familiar with that tool? I'm intrigued :) Two questions: - On the VS Code page a coming WordPress integration (?) is mentioned. Can you elaborate on what that is, and went it might ship? https://shuffle.dev/visual-studio-code https://shuffle.dev/visual-studio-code - I didn't see any mention of accessibility. Can you speak to that? Please :) -- I love this idea. Simply put there are far too many "web designers" (read: don't know a span from a div) that simply don't add much value. This feels like their far more worthy replacement. Cheers!
- kemyd 5y ago
  Hey, Yes, we export HTML/CSS and source files (Scss or Tailwind JS config). Here you have example projects exported: https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip We will release the WordPress theme export in December. It won't be an integration / WordPress plugin. You'll still use Shuffle online, and when exporting the project, it has the format supported by WordPress (support for navigations, posts, etc.) Accessibility - There is vast room for improvement. I recommend you to check the ZIP archive above (you can download it from our website when exporting a project, too) and verify it will work for you.
  - chiefalchemist 5y ago
    All good answers. I certainly under it's a WIP. Thanks.
jhvkjhk 5y ago
Are there any similar tools but for simple blogs? I find it very hard to design a simple but not dull blog layout because you don't have many pictures to show like a commercial website.
- kemyd 5y ago
  Hey, you can browse the full catalog of UI components available in our editor via this URL: https://shuffle.dev/components https://shuffle.dev/components Maybe you'll find designs for your next project! Especially, check categories Blog and Content: * https://shuffle.dev/components/all/all/blog https://shuffle.dev/components/all/all/blog * https://shuffle.dev/components/all/all/content https://shuffle.dev/components/all/all/content
sandGorgon 5y ago
this is awesome! can you not export to nextjs ?
- kemyd 5y ago
  Hey, we don't have a direct export to nextjs at this moment, but it is on our radar, of course :)
uxcolumbo 5y ago
Congrats for launching - looking good. One of the designs though needs some tweaking, i.e. "Get perfect app for your project" It's missing a 'the'... Get the perfect app...
- kemyd 5y ago
  Good eye! Thanks!
deft 5y ago
Its called shuffle.dev because the website keeps pivoting too.
- kemyd 5y ago
  It's funny, but it's not true ;) We keep adding new features, but the central point (the visual editor) is the same. Today, you can start a new project: * Classically, by opening the editor: https://shuffle.dev/editor https://shuffle.dev/editor * From our components gallery: https://shuffle.dev/components https://shuffle.dev/components * From URL in this Show HN. Using our new project configurator: https://shuffle.dev/setup https://shuffle.dev/setup The goal is to help our users choose the best UI library for their next project.
  - deft 5y ago
    just a light joke :). I really like your stuff please don't get rid of any of it! Been a paying customer for months, mostly using the editor.
SMAAART 5y ago
Disruption by randomness!
- kemyd 5y ago
  That's what we said!
Lucasoato 5y ago
Hi, I haven't perfectly understood what can be exported, how would it integrate with Angular? Btw the designs seem very cool!
- kemyd 5y ago
  Hey, you can check exported examples in this ZIP archive: https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip (the same link is available in the editor when exporting a demo project)
nauticacom 5y ago
Alternate, more accurate title: Create cookie-cutter website layouts that look like every other bland landing page. Bonus points if they use Tailwind.
- kemyd 5y ago
  Too long
- bladegash 5y ago
  Believe it or not, not everything needs to be bleeding-edge creative and new. I have personally found Shuffle to be a fantastic tool for personal projects, especially when I cannot or do not want to spend much time on design but want things to look halfway decent. That was half the appeal of frameworks like Bootstrap and I’m not really sure what value your comment adds, if anything (on a throwaway, to boot).
EGreg 5y ago
It looks amazing, but how do I actually EDIT the contents of things in the editor?
- kemyd 5y ago
  You can edit the content by clicking on the desired item in the editor :)
the_arun 5y ago
Why demo site is taking me to a paywall/create account in the next click? Couldn't you let us play without signing up? or am I missing another flow?
- kemyd 5y ago
  Hey, you can use the editor without creating an account: https://shuffle.dev/editor https://shuffle.dev/editor
guzik 5y ago
I've been a shuffle.dev user for a very long period. After some time I learned the CSS and HTML to the point I no longer need Shuffle, but still - one of my fav web builders.
- kemyd 5y ago
  Good for you! And thanks for the kind word. Just for clarification for other readers: Shuffle is not just a low-code builder. We also have a catalog of UI libraries, so you also don't need to know how to design things. :)
jawmes9 5y ago
Love to see Bulma in the mix, it is my favorite CSS framework. Thanks!
- triptych 5y ago
  I literally bought a license just now because you support Bulma
TruthWillHurt 5y ago
Why does every layout, template and site-builder tool assumes all websites are a three-page thing, with big blocks of images and one or two products? Do you actually visit such sites on a daily basis? Last time I did it was a page for a hip local barber shop. How about a bit more complexity for the sake of realism?
mtc010170 5y ago
This is neat! I’ll add it to my box of no/low-code tools. I do feel like not letting the homepage itself shuffle its layout is a missed opportunity for showcasing the product.
- kemyd 5y ago
  Interesting idea!
shaolinspirit 5y ago
this is crazy good, I love it
mawise 5y ago
This looks really cool--I'm interested to try using it. On signup, Firefox warns me that you'll share my email with Facebook. Do you know what's up with that? Is there any way to opt-out?
- kemyd 5y ago
  We use Facebook Pixel, and I think that message is related to it. I'm guessing that any ad block or strict privacy settings in Firefox should block this.
stanislavb 5y ago
...linking to the homepage https://shuffle.dev/ https://shuffle.dev/ so that alternative options mentioned here can be picked up by SaaSHub https://www.saashub.com/shuffle-dev-reviews https://www.saashub.com/shuffle-dev-reviews
somebodythere 5y ago
Cool project. I am sure that if you call it AI instead of random you will be able to charge more.
- kemyd 5y ago
  If we're ever looking for investors, we'll throw something about AI into the PowerPoint. ;)
rmbyrro 5y ago
It would be great if you could A/B test combinations and tell me which layouts work better for services/content like mine
volkandkaya 5y ago
Huge fan of the designs of Shuffle and they have been shipping constantly for years. If you're looking for a website builder to import them into and host I built https://versoly.com/ https://versoly.com/ It has a code editor to import/edit/export code and has a no-code mode for marketers. When I freelanced my #1 problem was clients asking for small updates such as a button changes, padding adjustments and adding new sections. I built Versoly to solve that while still being enjoyable for developers. Usual questions from devs - Does it include hosting? Yes - Where is it hosted? AWS on s3/cloudfront - Can i export code? yes - Do the pages load fast? 99/100 on mobile
johnthescott 5y ago
i bet $99 per year would sell more than $129 lifetime. nothing in the material is forever.

317 points by kemyd 5y ago

Dummy question from a non-front-end dev: What is the simplest way to host this project as it is on the web? (as a static page, no additional functionality)

Dangeranger 5y ago
Try out Netlify, their developer experience is excellent and the platform can grow with you if you need more features beyond the free tier.
kemyd 5y ago
Hey, We export standard HTML/CSS files (or JS / JSX for Material-UI libraries). You can publish them via Netlify (as mentioned above) or any other hosting for static pages. You can check examples of exported sources here: https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip (the link is also available in our editor when exporting a project)
codetrotter 5y ago
I’ve been self-hosting websites for years on a VPS but as I have been using Cloudflare for DNS management and for their CDN features, I made the jump over to Cloudflare Pages a few days ago. Cloudflare Pages was trivially easy to set up, complete with GitHub integration and I can heartily recommend it. https://pages.cloudflare.com/ https://pages.cloudflare.com/ The sites I’m hosting are plain old static sites. I have a separate private repository for each site on GitHub, with all of the html files and the few images and such that the sites have, just as I always had, but now when I push commits to these repos they are automatically pulled and deployed by Cloudflare Pages and basically all I had to do was to enable GitHub integration, choose the repository, tell Cloudflare how to “build” it, which because everything is static the “build” command in my case is simply: cp -R htdocs dist With htdocs just being a directory of static content inside of any of my website repositories for the site in question, to keep the content I want to serve separate from things like the README.md and other files that I also have in each repo. Then I told Cloudflare Pages that the “build” output is in the “dist” directory. It’s great!

kemyd 5y ago

Hey! We wondered what to do to make building layouts even faster while adding more fun elements to our daily work. After a while, the inspiration came! Why not randomize the components while having fun, like at a slot machine in a casino? The idea generator combines available UI components into finished layouts. You choose the technology, the library, click "Shuffle!" and boom, ready-made layout. Click again, and you have a new layout. Based on our No AI®, and No Blockchain®, and Pure Random® technology. ;) What do you think?

ddoice 5y ago
Love that no-buzzword approach (:
onassar 5y ago
Really gr8. Clever idea :)
- kemyd 5y ago
  Thanks!
kleiba 5y ago
I think it's a great idea, but perhaps it's not different enough from a collection of templates that you can scroll through (which are also in some "random" order, of course)?
- kemyd 5y ago
  Hey, if you don't trust our random algorithms, you can browse all our UI components linearly here: https://shuffle.dev/components https://shuffle.dev/components
  - pokepim 5y ago
    I spent whole afternoon today thinking which template kit to buy so that I get nice set of component with neat design. There were so many of them so it was tough choice. But i think i’m going to get lifetime access to your service instead. I just wonder if you are planning on adding more components in different design style? Like the Tailwind CSS brutalist style (i think codeacademy uses something similar)

toinbis 5y ago

Wonderful idea, great implementation! Would love to see you guys partnering with TailwindUI somehow. That's my default go-to ui widgets library (it's not open source, so it might be challenging to find a proper partnership model with them). Just bought a lifetime subscription. And as I already do have subscription - my last recommendation is to switch to monthly subscription model as soon as you can. Monthly subscriptions is just so much more profitable pricing model:) Congrats again on shipping great product! Edit: typos.

kemyd 5y ago
Thanks for the kind word and your insights! We're investing in our UI libraries, and I hope we become your "default go-to UI widgets library" soon ;)
- toinbis 5y ago
  Haha - wonderful, good plan, fingers croseed! :)
bladegash 5y ago
You used to be able to import TailwindUI’s components to Shuffle’s VSCode extension, but I’m not sure if that is still the case (or if it was ever condoned).
- steve_adams_86 5y ago
  I believe tailwind ui’s license agreement specifically forbids using it in website generators
  - bladegash 5y ago
    It was not really a website generator when in the VSCode extension. It was more of a copy and paste into your editor, with a easier way of viewing the components available (e.g., via dropdown in the editor).
- kemyd 5y ago

marban 5y ago

A million layouts that will make you look like everybody else ;)

kemyd 5y ago
Plot twist -> You can customize it in our visual editor ;)
djhn 5y ago
Is there "original" "web design" that is easy to use? Unless we're talking about art projects, or front end developers' portfolios, I don't really want particularly "original" web design - especially in terms of layout and navigation.

wink 5y ago

The idea is great, but I was surprised there's not a single "page template" that looks like a boring old wordpress blog, i.e. 2 column layout with maybe a header nav.

kemyd 5y ago
Hey, in the first release, we focus on general-purpose landing pages. We will develop this tool further. No worries! Also, in December, we are adding WordPress theme export to our editor. This will be a great time to update the configurator with "WordPress-like" templates :)

Crazyontap 5y ago

I see you submitted the same link yesterday but didn't get any traction. Genuinely curious if HN allows consecutive re-submissions? Couldn't find anything in the guidelines / dang's comments either. Anyway, I'm working on a Show HN myself and it would be great to know if it breaks any rules to submit the same project again especially if it doesn't get traction previously.

kemyd 5y ago
Hey, I read in an article that I found on Hacker News that "a small number of reposts is ok." They recommended trying with a different title and waiting 1-3 days between reposts. What I can recommend you personally is.. don't use "click bait" title. My first submission had this kind of title (even if mathematically it has been correct).
asicsp 5y ago
From FAQ (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) >Are reposts ok? >If a story has not had significant attention in the last year or so, a small number of reposts is ok. Otherwise we bury reposts as duplicates. >Please don't delete and repost the same story. Deletion is for things that shouldn't have been submitted in the first place.

thomcano 5y ago

This is a great execution on your part, I have been planning to create a website, and then I saw this post; I had fun tinkering at the shuffle editor. I think I'll consider this one for later.

kemyd 5y ago
Great! :D

chiefalchemist 5y ago

So the output is markup, CSS and JS and I can take that and do whatever I want with it? Similar to Bootstrap Studio, if you're familiar with that tool? I'm intrigued :) Two questions: - On the VS Code page a coming WordPress integration (?) is mentioned. Can you elaborate on what that is, and went it might ship? https://shuffle.dev/visual-studio-code https://shuffle.dev/visual-studio-code - I didn't see any mention of accessibility. Can you speak to that? Please :) -- I love this idea. Simply put there are far too many "web designers" (read: don't know a span from a div) that simply don't add much value. This feels like their far more worthy replacement. Cheers!

kemyd 5y ago
Hey, Yes, we export HTML/CSS and source files (Scss or Tailwind JS config). Here you have example projects exported: https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip We will release the WordPress theme export in December. It won't be an integration / WordPress plugin. You'll still use Shuffle online, and when exporting the project, it has the format supported by WordPress (support for navigations, posts, etc.) Accessibility - There is vast room for improvement. I recommend you to check the ZIP archive above (you can download it from our website when exporting a project, too) and verify it will work for you.
- chiefalchemist 5y ago
  All good answers. I certainly under it's a WIP. Thanks.

jhvkjhk 5y ago

Are there any similar tools but for simple blogs? I find it very hard to design a simple but not dull blog layout because you don't have many pictures to show like a commercial website.

kemyd 5y ago
Hey, you can browse the full catalog of UI components available in our editor via this URL: https://shuffle.dev/components https://shuffle.dev/components Maybe you'll find designs for your next project! Especially, check categories Blog and Content: * https://shuffle.dev/components/all/all/blog https://shuffle.dev/components/all/all/blog * https://shuffle.dev/components/all/all/content https://shuffle.dev/components/all/all/content

sandGorgon 5y ago

this is awesome! can you not export to nextjs ?

kemyd 5y ago
Hey, we don't have a direct export to nextjs at this moment, but it is on our radar, of course :)

uxcolumbo 5y ago

Congrats for launching - looking good. One of the designs though needs some tweaking, i.e. "Get perfect app for your project" It's missing a 'the'... Get the perfect app...

kemyd 5y ago
Good eye! Thanks!

deft 5y ago

Its called shuffle.dev because the website keeps pivoting too.

kemyd 5y ago
It's funny, but it's not true ;) We keep adding new features, but the central point (the visual editor) is the same. Today, you can start a new project: * Classically, by opening the editor: https://shuffle.dev/editor https://shuffle.dev/editor * From our components gallery: https://shuffle.dev/components https://shuffle.dev/components * From URL in this Show HN. Using our new project configurator: https://shuffle.dev/setup https://shuffle.dev/setup The goal is to help our users choose the best UI library for their next project.
- deft 5y ago
  just a light joke :). I really like your stuff please don't get rid of any of it! Been a paying customer for months, mostly using the editor.

SMAAART 5y ago

Disruption by randomness!

kemyd 5y ago
That's what we said!

Lucasoato 5y ago

Hi, I haven't perfectly understood what can be exported, how would it integrate with Angular? Btw the designs seem very cool!

kemyd 5y ago
Hey, you can check exported examples in this ZIP archive: https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip https://shuffle.dev/static/files/example.zip (the same link is available in the editor when exporting a demo project)

nauticacom 5y ago

Alternate, more accurate title: Create cookie-cutter website layouts that look like every other bland landing page. Bonus points if they use Tailwind.

kemyd 5y ago
Too long
bladegash 5y ago
Believe it or not, not everything needs to be bleeding-edge creative and new. I have personally found Shuffle to be a fantastic tool for personal projects, especially when I cannot or do not want to spend much time on design but want things to look halfway decent. That was half the appeal of frameworks like Bootstrap and I’m not really sure what value your comment adds, if anything (on a throwaway, to boot).

EGreg 5y ago

It looks amazing, but how do I actually EDIT the contents of things in the editor?

kemyd 5y ago
You can edit the content by clicking on the desired item in the editor :)

the_arun 5y ago

Why demo site is taking me to a paywall/create account in the next click? Couldn't you let us play without signing up? or am I missing another flow?

kemyd 5y ago
Hey, you can use the editor without creating an account: https://shuffle.dev/editor https://shuffle.dev/editor

guzik 5y ago

I've been a shuffle.dev user for a very long period. After some time I learned the CSS and HTML to the point I no longer need Shuffle, but still - one of my fav web builders.

kemyd 5y ago
Good for you! And thanks for the kind word. Just for clarification for other readers: Shuffle is not just a low-code builder. We also have a catalog of UI libraries, so you also don't need to know how to design things. :)

jawmes9 5y ago

Love to see Bulma in the mix, it is my favorite CSS framework. Thanks!

triptych 5y ago
I literally bought a license just now because you support Bulma

TruthWillHurt 5y ago

Why does every layout, template and site-builder tool assumes all websites are a three-page thing, with big blocks of images and one or two products? Do you actually visit such sites on a daily basis? Last time I did it was a page for a hip local barber shop. How about a bit more complexity for the sake of realism?

mtc010170 5y ago

This is neat! I’ll add it to my box of no/low-code tools. I do feel like not letting the homepage itself shuffle its layout is a missed opportunity for showcasing the product.

kemyd 5y ago
Interesting idea!

shaolinspirit 5y ago

this is crazy good, I love it

mawise 5y ago

This looks really cool--I'm interested to try using it. On signup, Firefox warns me that you'll share my email with Facebook. Do you know what's up with that? Is there any way to opt-out?

kemyd 5y ago
We use Facebook Pixel, and I think that message is related to it. I'm guessing that any ad block or strict privacy settings in Firefox should block this.

stanislavb 5y ago

...linking to the homepage https://shuffle.dev/ https://shuffle.dev/ so that alternative options mentioned here can be picked up by SaaSHub https://www.saashub.com/shuffle-dev-reviews https://www.saashub.com/shuffle-dev-reviews

somebodythere 5y ago

Cool project. I am sure that if you call it AI instead of random you will be able to charge more.

kemyd 5y ago
If we're ever looking for investors, we'll throw something about AI into the PowerPoint. ;)

rmbyrro 5y ago

It would be great if you could A/B test combinations and tell me which layouts work better for services/content like mine

volkandkaya 5y ago

Huge fan of the designs of Shuffle and they have been shipping constantly for years. If you're looking for a website builder to import them into and host I built https://versoly.com/ https://versoly.com/ It has a code editor to import/edit/export code and has a no-code mode for marketers. When I freelanced my #1 problem was clients asking for small updates such as a button changes, padding adjustments and adding new sections. I built Versoly to solve that while still being enjoyable for developers. Usual questions from devs - Does it include hosting? Yes - Where is it hosted? AWS on s3/cloudfront - Can i export code? yes - Do the pages load fast? 99/100 on mobile

johnthescott 5y ago

i bet $99 per year would sell more than $129 lifetime. nothing in the material is forever.