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Apple’s profit margins have never been 90%+. I recommend you do some googling before posting false information. Apple has never had a monopoly on anything. T

by zepto 5y ago

Apple’s profit margins have never been 90%+. I recommend you do some googling before posting false information. Apple has never had a monopoly on anything. They just use the same silicon for a lot of products and have good profit margins, so they can place large orders with TSMC.

ethbr0 5y ago
Apple has a monopoly on the iOS app store, which is a lucrative enough "market" to create systemic problems. But from a physical perspective, they've never had the kind of monopoly Intel enjoyed for decades.
- zepto 5y ago
  > Apple has a monopoly on the iOS App Store The courts have ruled that the iOS App Store is not a monopoly.
  - jsnell 5y ago
    They haven't, in the level of generality you imply. The ruling was much narrower: that Apple doesn't have a monopoly in the market of "digital mobile gaming transactions".
  - Notanothertoo 5y ago
    A yes the courts, such an informed non biased authority
    - zepto 5y ago
      Perhaps you aren’t aware that the meaning of legal terms is decided by courts. The alternative is that you don’t know what monopoly means and you are just using it a general way to say you don’t like Apple.
      - kuschku 5y ago
        The meaning of legal terms are decided by courts for their jurisdiction. When I, as european, wrote monopolistic, then that definition can still hold, as the European definition of that term is not decided by US courts.
        zepto 5y ago
        Are you the person I was replying to?
        kuschku 5y ago
        I started the comment chain with my comment to which you replied "Apple has never had a monopoly on anything"
        zepto 5y ago
        Have you looked into their profit margins? Do you still claim they are 90%+?
        kuschku 5y ago
        For the store? Most definitely, considering I can see what costs I expense for self-hosting all the infrastructure I need, developing the software, etc compared to what they want for it. That’s almost 2 orders of magnitude difference.
    - kergonath 5y ago
      As opposed to random posters on the Internet?
- JiNCMG 5y ago
  hmm, Nintendo, Sony, Sega and MS all have a monopoly on their stores. In fact, Target has a monopoly to their retail stores. You can't just sell your crap at Target because you want to. Also to probably lose 50% to the retailers.
melff 5y ago
> Apple has never had a monopoly on anything. They do on thier secoundary markets, (esp App Store) but they are also being monopolistic with replacement parts and repair.
- zepto 5y ago
  The App Store was ruled in court not to be a monopoly. Apple sells tools and parts to anyone who wants them, so it’s not really clear what you are talking about when it comes to repair. But even if there was some merit to that point, it’s silly to suggest that their repair policies have anything to do with them buying a lot of silicon from TSMC.
  - melff 5y ago
    > The App Store was ruled in court not to be a monopoly. The App Store is a de-facto monopoly, it may not fit the legal definition of a monopoly but it practice it is (or what other App Stores can end-users install on iOS?). I'm not making a legal argument. > Apple sells tools and parts to anyone who wants them Where can I buy the tools needed to pair serialized replacement parts with the system? Regarding replacement parts, I don't work in the repair industry so I don't have first hand experience buying apple parts, but Louis Rossmann is telling a different story, do you have a source contradicting him? > it’s silly to suggest that their repair policies have anything to do with them buying a lot of silicon from TSMC. I'm responding to your claim that apple never had a monopoly on anything.
    - halostatue 5y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
    - Pet_Ant 5y ago
      > The App Store is a de-facto monopoly, it may not fit the legal definition of a monopoly but it practice it is (or what other App Stores can end-users install on iOS?). I'm not making a legal argument. Ford has a monopoly on Ford-branded floor mats! I mean you could choose other floor mats, but if you want Ford-branded ones they got a monopoly. A large audience is not a monopoly. I may not like Android phones, but they are sufficiently good, have almost all the same apps, and plenty of people have them.
23iuhj23oi 5y ago
Apple get's 30% from sales in their app store without doing much. It is a huge amount of money for very little effort.
- donarb 5y ago
  Here's what developers get for their 30%, and yes for very little effort on the developer's part: - 24/7 worldwide availability, instant payment/app download - Easy re-install after deletion, you still own the app even if deleted from the device - Region restriction - Separate app pricing by region - Revenues paid to developer from multiple region currencies without conversion fees - Tax calculation and collection - Instant customer refunds - User rankings and reviews - App store advertising in category listings - Video previews of the app in operation - Packaging of media content allowing developers the ability to load game levels as needed. This allows a user to start playing your game quickly. - App sales stats
  - KptMarchewa 5y ago
    Development of that amortized years ago and maintenance + new features cost small fractions of that 30%.
    - 988747 5y ago
      So what if it amortized? That's why Apple made that investment in the first place, so that they can make profit out of it. If any app developer tried to re-create it now it would cost them much more than 30% of their revenue.
      - kuschku 5y ago
        As someone also hosting my own fdroid repo for my own apps, no, it wouldn't. You don't need most of that, and what you do need can be had extremely cheaply at 10-50€/mo + 0.2%
        5y ago
kuschku 5y ago
A significant portion of Apple profits is from the store, and the store has profit margins well in excess of 90%. > Apple has never had a monopoly on anything. We'll see what the EU antitrust commission says about that, so far there's been no legal decision in an independent jurisdiction yet.
- zepto 5y ago
  “an independent jurisdiction” Independent of what?

by zepto 5y ago

ethbr0 5y ago

Apple has a monopoly on the iOS app store, which is a lucrative enough "market" to create systemic problems. But from a physical perspective, they've never had the kind of monopoly Intel enjoyed for decades.

zepto 5y ago
> Apple has a monopoly on the iOS App Store The courts have ruled that the iOS App Store is not a monopoly.
- jsnell 5y ago
  They haven't, in the level of generality you imply. The ruling was much narrower: that Apple doesn't have a monopoly in the market of "digital mobile gaming transactions".
- Notanothertoo 5y ago
  A yes the courts, such an informed non biased authority
  - zepto 5y ago
    Perhaps you aren’t aware that the meaning of legal terms is decided by courts. The alternative is that you don’t know what monopoly means and you are just using it a general way to say you don’t like Apple.
    - kuschku 5y ago
      The meaning of legal terms are decided by courts for their jurisdiction. When I, as european, wrote monopolistic, then that definition can still hold, as the European definition of that term is not decided by US courts.
      - zepto 5y ago
        Are you the person I was replying to?
        kuschku 5y ago
        I started the comment chain with my comment to which you replied "Apple has never had a monopoly on anything"
        zepto 5y ago
        Have you looked into their profit margins? Do you still claim they are 90%+?
        kuschku 5y ago
        For the store? Most definitely, considering I can see what costs I expense for self-hosting all the infrastructure I need, developing the software, etc compared to what they want for it. That’s almost 2 orders of magnitude difference.
  - kergonath 5y ago
    As opposed to random posters on the Internet?
JiNCMG 5y ago
hmm, Nintendo, Sony, Sega and MS all have a monopoly on their stores. In fact, Target has a monopoly to their retail stores. You can't just sell your crap at Target because you want to. Also to probably lose 50% to the retailers.

melff 5y ago

> Apple has never had a monopoly on anything. They do on thier secoundary markets, (esp App Store) but they are also being monopolistic with replacement parts and repair.

zepto 5y ago
The App Store was ruled in court not to be a monopoly. Apple sells tools and parts to anyone who wants them, so it’s not really clear what you are talking about when it comes to repair. But even if there was some merit to that point, it’s silly to suggest that their repair policies have anything to do with them buying a lot of silicon from TSMC.
- melff 5y ago
  > The App Store was ruled in court not to be a monopoly. The App Store is a de-facto monopoly, it may not fit the legal definition of a monopoly but it practice it is (or what other App Stores can end-users install on iOS?). I'm not making a legal argument. > Apple sells tools and parts to anyone who wants them Where can I buy the tools needed to pair serialized replacement parts with the system? Regarding replacement parts, I don't work in the repair industry so I don't have first hand experience buying apple parts, but Louis Rossmann is telling a different story, do you have a source contradicting him? > it’s silly to suggest that their repair policies have anything to do with them buying a lot of silicon from TSMC. I'm responding to your claim that apple never had a monopoly on anything.
  - halostatue 5y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
  - Pet_Ant 5y ago
    > The App Store is a de-facto monopoly, it may not fit the legal definition of a monopoly but it practice it is (or what other App Stores can end-users install on iOS?). I'm not making a legal argument. Ford has a monopoly on Ford-branded floor mats! I mean you could choose other floor mats, but if you want Ford-branded ones they got a monopoly. A large audience is not a monopoly. I may not like Android phones, but they are sufficiently good, have almost all the same apps, and plenty of people have them.

23iuhj23oi 5y ago

Apple get's 30% from sales in their app store without doing much. It is a huge amount of money for very little effort.

donarb 5y ago
Here's what developers get for their 30%, and yes for very little effort on the developer's part: - 24/7 worldwide availability, instant payment/app download - Easy re-install after deletion, you still own the app even if deleted from the device - Region restriction - Separate app pricing by region - Revenues paid to developer from multiple region currencies without conversion fees - Tax calculation and collection - Instant customer refunds - User rankings and reviews - App store advertising in category listings - Video previews of the app in operation - Packaging of media content allowing developers the ability to load game levels as needed. This allows a user to start playing your game quickly. - App sales stats
- KptMarchewa 5y ago
  Development of that amortized years ago and maintenance + new features cost small fractions of that 30%.
  - 988747 5y ago
    So what if it amortized? That's why Apple made that investment in the first place, so that they can make profit out of it. If any app developer tried to re-create it now it would cost them much more than 30% of their revenue.
    - kuschku 5y ago
      As someone also hosting my own fdroid repo for my own apps, no, it wouldn't. You don't need most of that, and what you do need can be had extremely cheaply at 10-50€/mo + 0.2%
      - 5y ago

kuschku 5y ago

A significant portion of Apple profits is from the store, and the store has profit margins well in excess of 90%. > Apple has never had a monopoly on anything. We'll see what the EU antitrust commission says about that, so far there's been no legal decision in an independent jurisdiction yet.

zepto 5y ago
“an independent jurisdiction” Independent of what?