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> after falling ill with the second shot I'm not participating in this charade anymore “Falling ill” means your body had a strong, visible immune response to t

> after falling ill with the second shot I'm not participating in this charade anymore “Falling ill” means your body had a strong, visible immune response to the vaccine. The whole point of the vaccine is to trigger your body into an immune response which creates antibodies against the vaccine, thereby giving you protection against the real thing. > communities with almost 100% seeing no improvement You’re just wrong about this. In cities like Seattle and Portland, life is pretty much “back to normal.” As a result, people are interacting with each other and “spreading germs” around like they used to be. Without a vaccine, this kind of behavior would have caused a huge spike in severe cases. And while changed behavior has caused an uptick in cases, the number of severe cases has not. Unvaccinated people in King county near Seattle, for example, are 38x more likely to be hospitalized with covid. The better explanation to your comment is that an imperfect world is hard to predict and that there are reasonable explanations to most things, rather than some sort of superstitious reference to it being a “charade.”

vadfa 5y ago
>You’re just wrong about this. In cities like Seattle and Portland, life is pretty much “back to normal.” As a result, people are interacting with each other and “spreading germs” around like they used to be. Without a vaccine, this kind of behavior would have caused a huge spike in severe cases. Oh, I've heard of so many cities/communities like these. Tell me in a few months.
raxxorrax 5y ago
See, in my country there was a sad announcement that there are now more than 100,000 people dead by Covid. Less than 4000 are people under 60 and still my government tries to vaccinate kids. Why? It is entirely possible that it can have a negative effect on building real immunity against Covid. The very low death count in lower age brackets would very well warrant to build a control group here.
- Volundr 5y ago
  > Less than 4000 are people under 60 and still my government tries to vaccinate kids. Why? Well, one assumes children often have contact with older people, and can spread it to them. Plus we don't know that Covid does not have long term impacts in young children. Plus if we ever want to eliminate this disease, it means doing it in children as well.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    We won't eliminate Covid or any Coronavirus with our current vaccines, this is simply a dream not at all supported by evidence. At some point people will have to build immunity and I think there are some people that made good cases that vaccine immunity is reductive because vaccines only include a specific component of the virus towards which immunity is build. We simply don't know enough here, not even how our immune system reacts exactly, it is not a system we completely understand. I don't really think the long covid examples are very convincing as a potential for danger (I also don't think vaccines have long term effects either). Yes, kids could infect elderly people and they should be protected as best as we can. But I don't really see vaccinating kids as feasible. It should only be done when there is a measurable benefit.

vadfa 5y ago

>You’re just wrong about this. In cities like Seattle and Portland, life is pretty much “back to normal.” As a result, people are interacting with each other and “spreading germs” around like they used to be. Without a vaccine, this kind of behavior would have caused a huge spike in severe cases. Oh, I've heard of so many cities/communities like these. Tell me in a few months.

raxxorrax 5y ago

See, in my country there was a sad announcement that there are now more than 100,000 people dead by Covid. Less than 4000 are people under 60 and still my government tries to vaccinate kids. Why? It is entirely possible that it can have a negative effect on building real immunity against Covid. The very low death count in lower age brackets would very well warrant to build a control group here.

Volundr 5y ago
> Less than 4000 are people under 60 and still my government tries to vaccinate kids. Why? Well, one assumes children often have contact with older people, and can spread it to them. Plus we don't know that Covid does not have long term impacts in young children. Plus if we ever want to eliminate this disease, it means doing it in children as well.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  We won't eliminate Covid or any Coronavirus with our current vaccines, this is simply a dream not at all supported by evidence. At some point people will have to build immunity and I think there are some people that made good cases that vaccine immunity is reductive because vaccines only include a specific component of the virus towards which immunity is build. We simply don't know enough here, not even how our immune system reacts exactly, it is not a system we completely understand. I don't really think the long covid examples are very convincing as a potential for danger (I also don't think vaccines have long term effects either). Yes, kids could infect elderly people and they should be protected as best as we can. But I don't really see vaccinating kids as feasible. It should only be done when there is a measurable benefit.