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At this point a major shift would be not having a major shift every month. Myself, I am refusing a third booster shot. We were promised a return to normalcy af

by vadfa 5y ago

At this point a major shift would be not having a major shift every month. Myself, I am refusing a third booster shot. We were promised a return to normalcy after getting vaccinated (with the % required ever increasing, and communities with almost 100% seeing no improvement) and after falling ill with the second shot I'm not participating in this charade anymore.

maltalex 5y ago
> after falling ill with the second shot I'm not participating in this charade anymore Where exactly is the charade? Being ill for a few days after a vaccine is normal, it even happens with flu.
- vadfa 5y ago
  The charade is that vaccinations will fix this. I'd be willing to take them if there were no bad effects from them, but I spent like 10 hours in bed and I don't wish to go through that again.
  - CodeGlitch 5y ago
    I too spent 2 days in bed shivering after my first vaccine... But I'll be getting a booster and all after that. If my body reacted to the vaccine like that, I dread to think how it would have dealt with the real thing. 10 hours in bed is a minor inconvenience.
  - maltalex 5y ago
    Vaccinations are the closest thing we have to a solution. No one has long term experience with them, so understandably no one knows how long they protect you for. That's life. Yes, there are some (minor) risks associated with the vaccines. I too spent a day in bed. Twice. So what? Both you and I knew there's a risk of that when we got it. Still, the vaccine does what it says on the tin. So again, where's the charade? We live in a time and place that allowed us to get a vaccine with 90%+ efficiency just a year after an incredibly infections, never before seen virus has been spotted and begun taking (many) lives. It even proved to be effective against the even more infectious variants that appeared later. And after millions around the world were literally suffocated to death by covid, both you and I got the vaccine for free (or at an affordable cost, depending on where you live). And the only side effect of the vaccine that either of us experienced is feeling sick for less than a day. The word I'd use to describe this situation is definitely not charade.
noahtallen 5y ago
> after falling ill with the second shot I'm not participating in this charade anymore “Falling ill” means your body had a strong, visible immune response to the vaccine. The whole point of the vaccine is to trigger your body into an immune response which creates antibodies against the vaccine, thereby giving you protection against the real thing. > communities with almost 100% seeing no improvement You’re just wrong about this. In cities like Seattle and Portland, life is pretty much “back to normal.” As a result, people are interacting with each other and “spreading germs” around like they used to be. Without a vaccine, this kind of behavior would have caused a huge spike in severe cases. And while changed behavior has caused an uptick in cases, the number of severe cases has not. Unvaccinated people in King county near Seattle, for example, are 38x more likely to be hospitalized with covid. The better explanation to your comment is that an imperfect world is hard to predict and that there are reasonable explanations to most things, rather than some sort of superstitious reference to it being a “charade.”
- vadfa 5y ago
  >You’re just wrong about this. In cities like Seattle and Portland, life is pretty much “back to normal.” As a result, people are interacting with each other and “spreading germs” around like they used to be. Without a vaccine, this kind of behavior would have caused a huge spike in severe cases. Oh, I've heard of so many cities/communities like these. Tell me in a few months.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  See, in my country there was a sad announcement that there are now more than 100,000 people dead by Covid. Less than 4000 are people under 60 and still my government tries to vaccinate kids. Why? It is entirely possible that it can have a negative effect on building real immunity against Covid. The very low death count in lower age brackets would very well warrant to build a control group here.
  - Volundr 5y ago
    > Less than 4000 are people under 60 and still my government tries to vaccinate kids. Why? Well, one assumes children often have contact with older people, and can spread it to them. Plus we don't know that Covid does not have long term impacts in young children. Plus if we ever want to eliminate this disease, it means doing it in children as well.
raxxorrax 5y ago
It isn't a major shift, this policy was very predictable, don't know why the headline implies otherwise. I don't think boosters are part of a sensible solution to be honest.

by vadfa 5y ago

maltalex 5y ago

> after falling ill with the second shot I'm not participating in this charade anymore Where exactly is the charade? Being ill for a few days after a vaccine is normal, it even happens with flu.

vadfa 5y ago
The charade is that vaccinations will fix this. I'd be willing to take them if there were no bad effects from them, but I spent like 10 hours in bed and I don't wish to go through that again.
- CodeGlitch 5y ago
  I too spent 2 days in bed shivering after my first vaccine... But I'll be getting a booster and all after that. If my body reacted to the vaccine like that, I dread to think how it would have dealt with the real thing. 10 hours in bed is a minor inconvenience.
- maltalex 5y ago
  Vaccinations are the closest thing we have to a solution. No one has long term experience with them, so understandably no one knows how long they protect you for. That's life. Yes, there are some (minor) risks associated with the vaccines. I too spent a day in bed. Twice. So what? Both you and I knew there's a risk of that when we got it. Still, the vaccine does what it says on the tin. So again, where's the charade? We live in a time and place that allowed us to get a vaccine with 90%+ efficiency just a year after an incredibly infections, never before seen virus has been spotted and begun taking (many) lives. It even proved to be effective against the even more infectious variants that appeared later. And after millions around the world were literally suffocated to death by covid, both you and I got the vaccine for free (or at an affordable cost, depending on where you live). And the only side effect of the vaccine that either of us experienced is feeling sick for less than a day. The word I'd use to describe this situation is definitely not charade.

noahtallen 5y ago

> after falling ill with the second shot I'm not participating in this charade anymore “Falling ill” means your body had a strong, visible immune response to the vaccine. The whole point of the vaccine is to trigger your body into an immune response which creates antibodies against the vaccine, thereby giving you protection against the real thing. > communities with almost 100% seeing no improvement You’re just wrong about this. In cities like Seattle and Portland, life is pretty much “back to normal.” As a result, people are interacting with each other and “spreading germs” around like they used to be. Without a vaccine, this kind of behavior would have caused a huge spike in severe cases. And while changed behavior has caused an uptick in cases, the number of severe cases has not. Unvaccinated people in King county near Seattle, for example, are 38x more likely to be hospitalized with covid. The better explanation to your comment is that an imperfect world is hard to predict and that there are reasonable explanations to most things, rather than some sort of superstitious reference to it being a “charade.”

vadfa 5y ago
>You’re just wrong about this. In cities like Seattle and Portland, life is pretty much “back to normal.” As a result, people are interacting with each other and “spreading germs” around like they used to be. Without a vaccine, this kind of behavior would have caused a huge spike in severe cases. Oh, I've heard of so many cities/communities like these. Tell me in a few months.
raxxorrax 5y ago
See, in my country there was a sad announcement that there are now more than 100,000 people dead by Covid. Less than 4000 are people under 60 and still my government tries to vaccinate kids. Why? It is entirely possible that it can have a negative effect on building real immunity against Covid. The very low death count in lower age brackets would very well warrant to build a control group here.
- Volundr 5y ago
  > Less than 4000 are people under 60 and still my government tries to vaccinate kids. Why? Well, one assumes children often have contact with older people, and can spread it to them. Plus we don't know that Covid does not have long term impacts in young children. Plus if we ever want to eliminate this disease, it means doing it in children as well.

raxxorrax 5y ago

It isn't a major shift, this policy was very predictable, don't know why the headline implies otherwise. I don't think boosters are part of a sensible solution to be honest.