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AWS free tier data transfer expansion
- ignoramous 5y agoNothing on Lightsail CDN and Object Store egress?
- floatboth 5y ago~~The "100GB is actually only 1GB per region" thing is some sneaky stuff :/~~ Good move on CloudFront though.
- jabo 5y agoWonder if CloudFlare’s post had anything to do with this: https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/
- marsouin 5y agoWell if that isn't a direct answer to https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ ...
- jgrahamc 5y ago:thinking face
- mh- 5y agoLol, thanks on behalf of everyone enjoying the AWS free tier, jgc.
- shepherdjerred 5y agoAWS giving you 95GB egress for free is not at all a direct answer to the insane prices
- Hamuko 5y agoJust because it isn't as good doesn't mean it's not a direct answer. This is basically the lowest hanging fruit response AWS can give against Cloudflare to convince people not to migrate over. Maybe the idea is that if you're doing 1+ TB of CloudFront traffic, you're already deeply locked into AWS anyways and less willing to make the jump anyways.
- shepherdjerred 5y ago1GB of egress costs about 9 cents. The cost savings is equivalent to ~$9/mo in standard US regions. Nobody is going to migrate clouds over a $9/mo saving. If we're talking about CloudFront that comes out to $85. That's actually a pretty good savings, but it's distinct from egress. CloudFront's pricing isn't locking customers in due to egress pricing because it's a CDN, not a data storage service.
- tyingq 5y agoA partial direct answer that's still less free egress than almost every other free tier and/or sub $5/VPS. And as far as I can tell, the egregious pricing is still there once you're past the free limit.
- Guest19023892 5y agoI use 500GB - 1TB per month on Cloudfront, costing about $50-100 per month, and I was going to move this over to Cloudflare to take advantage of their savings. However, this AWS change will basically wipe out my entire Cloudfront bill. I should send Cloudflare a Christmas card to say thanks.
- tyingq 5y agoIt leaves you pretty close to the edge of paying 8.5+ cents/GB when you go over though.
- orasis 5y agoMy thought as well. I was just about to spin up a new service on cloudflare and now I’ll stick with AWS.
- nixgeek 5y agoIt went from 1GB to 100GB, meanwhile Oracle is offering 10TB on their Free Tier. https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/
- popotamonga 5y agoPlus Oracle's egress last time i checked was 10x cheaper.
- shepherdjerred 5y agoYeah, but then you have to use Oracle
- eatonphil 5y agoLet's not poo poo actual competition. If Oracle _wants_ to compete with AWS that's a pretty good thing for everyone.
- kbenson 5y agoYes, it's definitely good if it causes AWS, GCE, Azure, etc to increase allowances to compete, even if you (like me) plan to never touch that Oracle service with a ten foot pole attached to someone else's computer.
- t0mas88 5y agoYou're not the only one. Almost everyone that did significant deals with Oracle at some point has this opinion.
- Xelbair 5y agoYet signing any contract with Oracle is risky, and i would rather pay more than risk dealing with Oracle itself. but yeah, more competition is always good.
- deegles 5y agoI want to compete in the Olympics, but whether that actually happens is a different question.
- fasteo 5y agoThanks Cloudflare
- neeraga 5y agoGood job Cloudflare
- aborsy 5y agoThe egregious AWS egress fees have made AWS practically useless for all but enterprise customers. Who would pay 100$ for backup test or recovery with S3?
- Androider 5y agoLiterally any tech company paying US engineering salaries? Try to calculate what a bay area engineer makes hourly sometimes, then go ahead and flip that AWS cross-region data replication checkbox (and maybe make your S3 bucket immutable too, storage is cheap), then tell your boss that you just saved the company a whole bunch of money compared to your team cobbling together some janky bespoke backup solution that nobody will remember how or if it works 12 months from now.
- mythz 5y agoWas only a matter of time after their egregious egress fees were exposed, 2 Cloudflare posts that help make this happen: https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ https://www.cloudflare.com/press-releases/2021/cloudflare-announces-r2-storage/ https://www.cloudflare.com/press-releases/2021/cloudflare-an...
- stillicidious 5y agoI've seen Cloudflare Enterprise accounts for two clients, the current one is paying the equivalent of $0.035/GB, the other was substantially higher although I've forgotten the numbers. Equivalent pricing from another vendor for the same service with enterprise support was $0.0021/GB. Their free bandwidth promises are grossly overstated, and possibly even a marketing fabrication, given previous reports here and elsewhere of high bandwidth users being cajoled into upgrades. For an honest bandwidth offer, I'd much sooner consider Fly.io rather than Cloudflare. At least with Fly their true pricing is transparent edit: speaking of transparency, https://imgur.com/HnlWFUe https://imgur.com/HnlWFUe
- ignoramous 5y agoWe save 7TB per mo egress because of Cloudflare's free cache (through Workers) and pay nothing for it. Granted Cloudflare, the CDN, has Enterprise plans for higher TB bandwidth (esp video), but Cloudflare, the Cloud platform, has more than generous free-tier, batteries included. AWS' value-based pricing has them extract fees for things as trivial as builds and deploys, and their bills are nothing but nightmare to parse or estimate. This is in stark contrast to the simple and straight-forward pricing with Cloudflare, which we pretty much prefer as a small dev shop. So much so that we choose to pay Cloudflare money to host our services even though we've got 5-digit AWS$ credits.
- stillicidious 5y agoThe question is whether what you're receiving is genuinely free, or a part of some squeezable marketing budget. In my experience it always makes sense to consider the latter. At some point that $595/mo. you're saving will appear on a lead sheet, whether it happens today or (similar to e.g. Google Apps) after 5 years. Also like Google, they're a public company nowadays and will eventually succumb like every company before them to the realities of reporting growth. I'd always prefer paying for certainty than design a solution built on a lottery.
- rubyist5eva 5y agoLooks like R2 was a punch in the gut for Amazon.
- immibis 5y agoR2?
- rubyist5eva 5y agoCloudflare's answer to S3 (free egress, cheap storage).
- Epskampie 5y agoAWS free tier is horrible. You have to enter a creditcard to sign up, and then there is no way to prevent it being charged when you go over the limit for some reason. If you get on the frontpage of HN for example, you might be majorly screwed. It's a test account, I just want it to shut down when the limit is reached.
- nanidin 5y agoIt has been a while since I messed with the AWS panel, but IIRC you can set budget alerts so you’re notified once a threshold is crossed. It’s not a perfect solution, but if you expect to spend $0 then an alert on $0.01 is pretty trivial to set up and goes a long way to prevent end of the month surprises.
- gogopuppygogo 5y agoAn alert is not a cap. They should add a cap to just shut down/delete resources if the cap is hit.
- belter 5y agoYou can use Budgets Actions for that: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws-cloud-financial-management/get-started-with-aws-budgets-actions/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws-cloud-financial-management/...
- swiftcoder 5y agoNote that these are not instantaneous. You can still incur charges before the budget action kicks in and terminates your resources.
- belter 5y agoTrue. But you can do it on forecasted costs.
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- Hamuko 5y ago>Data Transfer from AWS Regions to the Internet is now free for up to 100 GB of data per month (up from 1 GB per region). Is it 100 GB per region or 100 GB across regions? Because it sounds like the latter.
- throwaway2016a 5y agoI read it as total. But that's still a good sized increase. Especially if most of your traffic comes out of 1 or 2 regions.
- staticassertion 5y ago> Data Transfer from AWS Regions to the Internet This only applies to the free tier, which you age out of after a year. Who even cares? Or am I misreading this? They can do a lot better than this. edit: It appears that the regional transfer doesn't age out either, even though it isn't explicitly stated in this post (whereas they did state so for Cloudfront).
- beheh 5y ago> Data Transfer from Amazon CloudFront is now free for up to 1 TB of data per month (up from 50 GB), and is no longer limited to the first 12 months after signup.
- staticassertion 5y agoRight, that's why I quoted the other section.
- beheh 5y agoMy bad, I thought you were quoting the article title. I see it's been cleared up in other replies now.
- awsthro00945 5y agoYou're misreading it. Only some parts of the free tier "age out". Other parts of the free tier are free forever (it's really stupidly confusing). The things announced in this announcement are free forever.
- staticassertion 5y agoThanks, that wasn't clear to me. I'll edit my post.
- awsthro00945 5y agoIt's stupidly confusing because the regional transfer of 1GB free per month isn't technically part of the "Free Tier" as advertised on this page [0], it's just part of the normal egress pricing model of the individual services [1] [2]. So I guess really this announcement post is misleading/confusing because the regional transfer increase is just a change in the normal pricing model, not the "Free Tier"... but really that's just semantics. AWS really needs to fix the "Free Tier" to make it less confusing. 0: https://aws.amazon.com/free/ https://aws.amazon.com/free/ 1: https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/ https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/ 2: https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
- toomuchtodo 5y agoGet ‘em Cloudflare. :muscle:
- moralestapia 5y agoSure, all the caveats from muh capitalism and muh free market still apply ... But, This is THE textbook example on how competition pushes innovation forward and drives prices down. Thank you, Cloudflare!
- throwaway2016a 5y agoAs an AWS user I'm a bit disappointed with this. I was hoping their answer would be to cut or eliminated some prices across the board vs just increasing the free tier. I find most apps are pretty binary. Either they are high bandwidth (like video and backups) or not. If you use 1TB there is a good chance you will use 2TB. This will certainly make it less likely for the low bandwidth users to get a surprise bill but if you're doing video $85 per TB will get expensive fast. You better make sure your business model can make a profit at those prices. But even then, if the average user pays you $20 a month and only streams 100GB of video you make money but you'd make more money outside of AWS. It's almost as if AWS wants to active discourage those use cases.
- tfehring 5y agoOr they want to avoid making pricing more complex than it already is, they do that by significantly marking up egress and using it to cross-subsidize other stuff (like data ingress and internal data transfer), and they've determined that the benefit of that simpler pricing to their other users outweighs the detriment to users with egress-heavy use cases.
- throwaway2016a 5y agoI've never operated at Amazons scale so I don't know the wholesale costs involved but at least one estimate puts AWS margins at bandwidth at 99% [1]. And I'm guessing ingress is a fixed cost where they are running nowhere near capacity and that is why it is free. That and they want your data on AWS so they can charge you for storage and when you download it. I realize business need to make a profit but I don't think AWS is cross-subsidizing. It seems more like there are no loss leaders, they make at least 60% margin on all products (for users not big enough to negotiate rates). They could lower their outbound prices significantly, they just choose not to until the market forces them. Which is smart business. But I think given Cloud Flare's pressure here, the market is calling for a more aggressive adjustment than just upping the free tier. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/05/how-amazon-web-services-makes-money-estimated-margins-by-service.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/05/how-amazon-web-services-make...
- ksec 5y ago1TB / month CDN usage for Free ? Ignoring Cloudflare, I am not aware of any other CDN that offer anything similar. Although their pricing [1] after the first 1TB is still very expensive. [1] https://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/pricing/?nc=sn&loc=3 https://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/pricing/?nc=sn&loc=3
- Someone1234 5y agoSo which cloud provider offers a HARD spend limit? I just want to fund my account e.g. $20/month and never, ever, spend a cent over that. Even if my account gets hacked for bitcoin mining or whatever, I don't want to spend a cent over that. With AWS, you can do it, via a trigger on a spend notification and a script, but the whole thing is a giant kludge. It should be a default feature. It should be a default feature for all cloud providers. I'm literally using them less because this isn't a feature they offer. Even the free tier of AWS is too risky without hard limits.
- MMS21 5y agoHetzner
- Datagenerator 5y agoDigital Ocean could be interesting. Used to AWS and Azure but DO is doing great too
- awsthro00945 5y agoI think the closest you can get is using a VPS like DigitalOcean where you pay $X for a server and there's no autoscaling to worry about. But even with those, if you go over the bandwidth limit (although with DO the bandwidth limit is a lot higher) you would be charged more. The unfortunate reality is that hobby developers that just want to pay $20/month aren't the target audience for GCP etc. They don't really care if you're using them less for your personal hobby projects. They target large enterprises, and those large enterprises would have very little use for something like "cap my spend at $20". Even as an AWS employee, I sometimes use non-AWS hosting providers for my own projects. Even outside of the billing situation, AWS is often too complicated for my use cases. It's just not targeted at me and my hobby development projects. disclaimer: am AWS employee but the above is my own opinion and not official position of the company, etc etc.
- AstroDogCatcher 5y ago+1 to this; also an AWS employee, also use other VPS providers for personal projects (Hetzner and Vultr). Don't need the full breadth of AWS services to tinker with Caddy and Tailscale, but more than that I simply follow the practice of "don't shit where you eat".
- gigatexal 5y agoThank you Cloudflare!
- satyrnein 5y agoI guess every little bit helps, but 100 GB/mo * $0.09/GB = $9/mo of savings. That's nice for a hobby project, but it seems utterly negligible for any actual business.
- ElbertF 5y agoThe CloudFront savings add up to about $100/mo. Still pretty negligible.
- busymom0 5y ago> CloudFront Function Is this similar to cloudflare workers?
- saidmasoud 5y agoInteresting timing given https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/the-aws-managed-nat-gateway-is-unpleasant-and-not-recommended/ https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/the-aws-managed-nat-gatew... just came out. Does this also apply to NAT Gateways?
- jhack 5y agoWonder is Backblaze will follow suit. They're part of the bandwidth alliance with Cloudflare and that's great, but if you're using B2 for personal use and want to get data from a private bucket, you're still paying $0.01/GB egress after the first gigabyte.
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- prirun 5y agoThis is nice for backup programs like HashBackup (I'm the author). For block-based incremental backups, this new free egress allowance lets backup tools do maintenance on the backup (packing vacant space out of older backup files) without egress charges.