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> to not kill civilians and cause a PR nightmare Estimates sit at around 240,000 deaths, great job. Still better then the Iraqi genocide mind....

adventured 5y ago
> Estimates sit at around 240,000 deaths You're of course referring to total estimated deaths over 20 years from all supposedly war-related causes (which includes poverty), not civilian deaths directly attributable to the US. The Taliban - as the blood-thirsty conquering force attempting to enslave the population of Afghanistan for the past several decades - is responsible for most of those deaths. It's funny how many people try to pretend the Taliban don't exist, their murders don't exist, the consequences of their conquering don't exist, and their aims don't exist, when it's convenient. The actual civilian deaths in Afghanistan by the US is a very small fraction of the number you're quoting, which is the point of the parent comment. The vast majority of violent civilian deaths were from the Taliban and associated groups, via suicide bombings and other intentional mass murder events. And the vast majority of all deaths during the Iraq civil war, were Iraqi on Iraqi murders. The US stepped in-between the warring factions and tried to stop it, which cost a lot of US blood and treasure. This isn't hidden magic information. It's right there in the estimates along with the number you quoted out of context. They break out how they arrive at the death totals.
- hindsightbias 5y ago
  The US destabilized Iraq, leading to the Civil War. Not like they’re innocents in the matter.
- swarnie 5y ago
  This is a lot of words to say: "We destabilised a region and are responsible for the MASSIVE number of civilian deaths as a result."
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Compare to the Soviet-Afghan war where the Soviets were not so nice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War > Civilians: 562,000–2,000,000 killed Most civilian deaths during the US war in Afghanistan appear to be from the Taliban themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban > According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 76% of Afghan civilian casualties in 2010, and 80% in 2011 and 2012.

adventured 5y ago

> Estimates sit at around 240,000 deaths You're of course referring to total estimated deaths over 20 years from all supposedly war-related causes (which includes poverty), not civilian deaths directly attributable to the US. The Taliban - as the blood-thirsty conquering force attempting to enslave the population of Afghanistan for the past several decades - is responsible for most of those deaths. It's funny how many people try to pretend the Taliban don't exist, their murders don't exist, the consequences of their conquering don't exist, and their aims don't exist, when it's convenient. The actual civilian deaths in Afghanistan by the US is a very small fraction of the number you're quoting, which is the point of the parent comment. The vast majority of violent civilian deaths were from the Taliban and associated groups, via suicide bombings and other intentional mass murder events. And the vast majority of all deaths during the Iraq civil war, were Iraqi on Iraqi murders. The US stepped in-between the warring factions and tried to stop it, which cost a lot of US blood and treasure. This isn't hidden magic information. It's right there in the estimates along with the number you quoted out of context. They break out how they arrive at the death totals.

hindsightbias 5y ago
The US destabilized Iraq, leading to the Civil War. Not like they’re innocents in the matter.
swarnie 5y ago
This is a lot of words to say: "We destabilised a region and are responsible for the MASSIVE number of civilian deaths as a result."

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

Compare to the Soviet-Afghan war where the Soviets were not so nice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War > Civilians: 562,000–2,000,000 killed Most civilian deaths during the US war in Afghanistan appear to be from the Taliban themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban > According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 76% of Afghan civilian casualties in 2010, and 80% in 2011 and 2012.