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"But it's also boring and soulcrushing to have everyday" It's also rich in vegetable protein and a great source of fiber. Geez, when I think of "boring and so

"But it's also boring and soulcrushing to have everyday" It's also rich in vegetable protein and a great source of fiber. Geez, when I think of "boring and soulcrushing" meals I think of SOYLENT not a nutritious meal enjoyed by tens of millions across LATAM on a daily basis.

vore 5y ago
Just plain rice and plain beans every day? I think there is a lot of work that goes into preparation you're willfully ignoring for in making it less boring and soulcrushing.
- ingenieros 5y ago
  This is precisely why I avoided using adjectives such as savory or delicious. Taste is entirely subjective and varies widely from individual to individual. Nutrition on the other is based on scientific fact, hence why I chose to use terms such as: nutrients, fiber, protein. Btw, I find the term "souldcrushing" to be an insult to the millions of individuals who rely on such food staples for their daily nutritional intake. Go do a quick search for levels of diabetes and obesity among nations which rely on plant based diets and then come back and talk to me about soulcrushing.
  - vore 5y ago
    You seem to have a very utilitarian view of food that most people do not have: the average person does not quantify food purely in terms of their nutritional value, and enjoying the taste of it is a pretty big factor for if they want to eat it every day or not! And again, comparing subsisting on "$30 of rice and beans" is a completely different proposition to "nations which rely on plant based diets": people in these nations are not eating unflavored rice and beans every day.
    - ingenieros 5y ago
      The op mentioned "$100 is plenty to afford groceries at a grocery store." Surely some of that could go into things like: salt and garlic, no? You also talk about "the average person" which makes me seriously wonder what you mean by this? What is an average person in your world view? I've had the opportunity to live in 3 different continents and I'd be hard pressed to describe an average person to you. Perhaps you are right and my views are a bit utilitarian, but I can assure you that my soul is not crushed whenever I sit down to eat a plate of moros y cristianos.
      - HWR_14 5y ago
        At $100/week you can trivially have have chicken every dinner. You made it $30/week to justify rice and beans as the sole meal. Which makes it harder to purchase addons. Especially if that works out to $7.50/person/week for a family of 4. Just over $1.07/person/day doesn't leave a lot of extra money.
    - imtringued 5y ago
      >and enjoying the taste of it is a pretty big factor for if they want to eat it every day or not! Yeah and people only enjoy the loudest music because they have to turn the volume down which makes everything else sound worse... Sugar is like that, as you get used to the sugar rush, everything else tastes worse but only relatively worse, not absolutely worse.
    - hoseja 5y ago
      I'm sorry but >username
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    > Go do a quick search for levels of diabetes and obesity among nations which rely on plant based diets And none of them rely on just rice and beans. They use spices and herb to make things taste better. You keep reading "rice and beans are soulcrushing" as "vegan food bad". When it's really a) repetitive and b) requires a lot of labor to make tasty. Most Asian saucy dishes are around making rice tastier.
tksb 5y ago
If you believe that anyone counting cents is aware or concerned with it being "rich in protein" by your standards then count yourself among the disconnected. Survival is first. "Geez"
- ingenieros 5y ago
  I used to volunteer to feed the homeless vegan meals in downtown LA and also spent 2 years volunteering for a vegetarian soup kitchen in Copenhagen. Clearly you are the expert on the matter and I'm clearly the one "disconnected" from reality.
- imtringued 5y ago
  I don't know why we blame the poor for this but a bad diet is quite literally bad macro economics and good micro economics for the companies making the profits. It's especially bad with all the fake/bullshit nutritional science that has to be debunked which created a whole weight loss industry. Shitty refined carbs and sugar/corn syrup might save you money over the short term but over the long term you're going to pay the price with massive health issues. Considering most poor people's greatest asset is their own body that's false economics.

vore 5y ago

Just plain rice and plain beans every day? I think there is a lot of work that goes into preparation you're willfully ignoring for in making it less boring and soulcrushing.

ingenieros 5y ago
This is precisely why I avoided using adjectives such as savory or delicious. Taste is entirely subjective and varies widely from individual to individual. Nutrition on the other is based on scientific fact, hence why I chose to use terms such as: nutrients, fiber, protein. Btw, I find the term "souldcrushing" to be an insult to the millions of individuals who rely on such food staples for their daily nutritional intake. Go do a quick search for levels of diabetes and obesity among nations which rely on plant based diets and then come back and talk to me about soulcrushing.
- vore 5y ago
  You seem to have a very utilitarian view of food that most people do not have: the average person does not quantify food purely in terms of their nutritional value, and enjoying the taste of it is a pretty big factor for if they want to eat it every day or not! And again, comparing subsisting on "$30 of rice and beans" is a completely different proposition to "nations which rely on plant based diets": people in these nations are not eating unflavored rice and beans every day.
  - ingenieros 5y ago
    The op mentioned "$100 is plenty to afford groceries at a grocery store." Surely some of that could go into things like: salt and garlic, no? You also talk about "the average person" which makes me seriously wonder what you mean by this? What is an average person in your world view? I've had the opportunity to live in 3 different continents and I'd be hard pressed to describe an average person to you. Perhaps you are right and my views are a bit utilitarian, but I can assure you that my soul is not crushed whenever I sit down to eat a plate of moros y cristianos.
    - HWR_14 5y ago
      At $100/week you can trivially have have chicken every dinner. You made it $30/week to justify rice and beans as the sole meal. Which makes it harder to purchase addons. Especially if that works out to $7.50/person/week for a family of 4. Just over $1.07/person/day doesn't leave a lot of extra money.
  - imtringued 5y ago
    >and enjoying the taste of it is a pretty big factor for if they want to eat it every day or not! Yeah and people only enjoy the loudest music because they have to turn the volume down which makes everything else sound worse... Sugar is like that, as you get used to the sugar rush, everything else tastes worse but only relatively worse, not absolutely worse.
  - hoseja 5y ago
    I'm sorry but >username
- HWR_14 5y ago
  > Go do a quick search for levels of diabetes and obesity among nations which rely on plant based diets And none of them rely on just rice and beans. They use spices and herb to make things taste better. You keep reading "rice and beans are soulcrushing" as "vegan food bad". When it's really a) repetitive and b) requires a lot of labor to make tasty. Most Asian saucy dishes are around making rice tastier.

tksb 5y ago

If you believe that anyone counting cents is aware or concerned with it being "rich in protein" by your standards then count yourself among the disconnected. Survival is first. "Geez"

ingenieros 5y ago
I used to volunteer to feed the homeless vegan meals in downtown LA and also spent 2 years volunteering for a vegetarian soup kitchen in Copenhagen. Clearly you are the expert on the matter and I'm clearly the one "disconnected" from reality.
imtringued 5y ago
I don't know why we blame the poor for this but a bad diet is quite literally bad macro economics and good micro economics for the companies making the profits. It's especially bad with all the fake/bullshit nutritional science that has to be debunked which created a whole weight loss industry. Shitty refined carbs and sugar/corn syrup might save you money over the short term but over the long term you're going to pay the price with massive health issues. Considering most poor people's greatest asset is their own body that's false economics.