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There's no way it hasn't been escalated to a diplomatic level already, that's probably the biggest impediment to the suit doing anything. Both NSO's host count

There's no way it hasn't been escalated to a diplomatic level already, that's probably the biggest impediment to the suit doing anything. Both NSO's host country and client base get an incredible amount of protection from the state department.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
This doesn't take into account recent events, e.g. the U.S. sanctioning NSO after their dealings in India and with American police departments was confirmed. In any case, this is a civil suit in federal courts. Even if State wanted to intervene, it would have to do so through informal channels.
- monocasa 5y ago
  Their website is still up, posting news, hosted on AWS on one of the us-west AZs. The US is going at them with less vigor than a whack-a-mole torrent site de jure. > In any case, this is a civil suit in federal courts. Even if State wanted to intervene, it would have to do so through informal channels. But didn't we just agree that the federal court system is pretty toothless here without the support of the state department?
  - freejazz 5y ago
    The federal court could only ever do what a federal court could do which is levy sanctions or judgments against NSO property.
    - monocasa 5y ago
      Against US based NSO property, practically speaking.
      - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > US based NSO property, practically speaking Nope. Not only does Israel have an extradition treaty with the U.S., their civil systems are quite tightly linked. [1] https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/07-110-Israel-Extradition.pdf https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/07-110-Isra...
        monocasa 5y ago
        Extradition has next to nothing to do with a civil EULA suit.
        JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > Extradition has next to nothing to do with a civil EULA suit The following has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread. If NSO blows off the EULA suit, they'll be held in contempt of court. That tends to escalate into the type of thing for which one can be extradited.
        freejazz 5y ago
        They wont be held in contempt, the court will decide the case in their default. That's what happens when you don't appear for a civil lawsuit.
        monocasa 5y ago
        You say that tends to happen, but I can't seem to find a single case where civil no show and non payment escalated to criminal foreign extradition. Do you have any examples of this?

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

This doesn't take into account recent events, e.g. the U.S. sanctioning NSO after their dealings in India and with American police departments was confirmed. In any case, this is a civil suit in federal courts. Even if State wanted to intervene, it would have to do so through informal channels.

monocasa 5y ago
Their website is still up, posting news, hosted on AWS on one of the us-west AZs. The US is going at them with less vigor than a whack-a-mole torrent site de jure. > In any case, this is a civil suit in federal courts. Even if State wanted to intervene, it would have to do so through informal channels. But didn't we just agree that the federal court system is pretty toothless here without the support of the state department?
- freejazz 5y ago
  The federal court could only ever do what a federal court could do which is levy sanctions or judgments against NSO property.
  - monocasa 5y ago
    Against US based NSO property, practically speaking.
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > US based NSO property, practically speaking Nope. Not only does Israel have an extradition treaty with the U.S., their civil systems are quite tightly linked. [1] https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/07-110-Israel-Extradition.pdf https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/07-110-Isra...
      - monocasa 5y ago
        Extradition has next to nothing to do with a civil EULA suit.
        JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > Extradition has next to nothing to do with a civil EULA suit The following has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread. If NSO blows off the EULA suit, they'll be held in contempt of court. That tends to escalate into the type of thing for which one can be extradited.
        freejazz 5y ago
        They wont be held in contempt, the court will decide the case in their default. That's what happens when you don't appear for a civil lawsuit.
        monocasa 5y ago
        You say that tends to happen, but I can't seem to find a single case where civil no show and non payment escalated to criminal foreign extradition. Do you have any examples of this?