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The people smart enough to conduct investigations into this know that the only outcomes will be harsher restrictions on lab research stateside without much cons

by mjfl 5y ago

The people smart enough to conduct investigations into this know that the only outcomes will be harsher restrictions on lab research stateside without much consequences for China, and thus they are unmotivated.

siva7 5y ago
This is the unfortunate truth on the psychological side. There is simply no motivation to push the lab leak theory for those scientists involved. Not for the chinese because that would be their death sentence and not for the outside world because funding and restrictions will get a lot harsher. On the other side everyone can live with the other theories because they imply more research funding and no one has to die for political reasons.
- Supermancho 5y ago
  > Not for the chinese because that would be their death sentence I don't believe it would affect "the Chinese" at all, other than spending time to ladle out a new dose of conditioning for their own public.
  - meibo 5y ago
    Maybe they meant the death sentence for the team of scientists working on coronavirus research at the Wuhan virology lab, that surely must have had to make some kind of statement to the Chinese state if it did exist. I’m sure they have the greatest interest to leave the rest of the country and world in the dark.
Ambolia 5y ago
We should have leashed very short both politicians and virologists after this disaster, but the blame game has been shifted very skillfully at every point, from anybody worrying about a pandemic, to anybody not worrying about it, to your neighbor who wears the mask wrong, to three guys in the middle of desert who didn't take the vaccine, while nobody with power ever answers about anything.
- yostrovs 5y ago
  As an example, notice how much scrutiny Aaron Rodgers or Joe Rogan received, compared with the fact that we've kept the US/Canadian border closed to car traffic while allowing flights in. What seems like an incoherent policy that affects millions gets next to zero attention. But what Joe Rogan does to his own body, now that we should all get the details and a full explanation about.
nextos 5y ago
Well, but we certainly need to do something about this. SARS-CoV-2 is relatively mild compared to other potential lab leaks. It has nothing to do with taking an anti China stance, as this has happened elsewhere. It would also be advisable to investigate the early stages of the pandemic as clearly many parties were deliberately hiding information. This led to avoidable casualties and, ultimately, the whole pandemic might have been possible to contain.
- nickff 5y ago
  >"It has nothing to do with taking an anti China stance, as this has happened elsewhere." This is a classic collective action problem, not some nationalistic thing (though some will believe or pretend it is). Each specific lab wants relatively lax rules and no consequences for failures, but everyone else needs higher standards.

by mjfl 5y ago

siva7 5y ago

This is the unfortunate truth on the psychological side. There is simply no motivation to push the lab leak theory for those scientists involved. Not for the chinese because that would be their death sentence and not for the outside world because funding and restrictions will get a lot harsher. On the other side everyone can live with the other theories because they imply more research funding and no one has to die for political reasons.

Supermancho 5y ago
> Not for the chinese because that would be their death sentence I don't believe it would affect "the Chinese" at all, other than spending time to ladle out a new dose of conditioning for their own public.
- meibo 5y ago
  Maybe they meant the death sentence for the team of scientists working on coronavirus research at the Wuhan virology lab, that surely must have had to make some kind of statement to the Chinese state if it did exist. I’m sure they have the greatest interest to leave the rest of the country and world in the dark.

Ambolia 5y ago

We should have leashed very short both politicians and virologists after this disaster, but the blame game has been shifted very skillfully at every point, from anybody worrying about a pandemic, to anybody not worrying about it, to your neighbor who wears the mask wrong, to three guys in the middle of desert who didn't take the vaccine, while nobody with power ever answers about anything.

yostrovs 5y ago
As an example, notice how much scrutiny Aaron Rodgers or Joe Rogan received, compared with the fact that we've kept the US/Canadian border closed to car traffic while allowing flights in. What seems like an incoherent policy that affects millions gets next to zero attention. But what Joe Rogan does to his own body, now that we should all get the details and a full explanation about.

nextos 5y ago

Well, but we certainly need to do something about this. SARS-CoV-2 is relatively mild compared to other potential lab leaks. It has nothing to do with taking an anti China stance, as this has happened elsewhere. It would also be advisable to investigate the early stages of the pandemic as clearly many parties were deliberately hiding information. This led to avoidable casualties and, ultimately, the whole pandemic might have been possible to contain.

nickff 5y ago
>"It has nothing to do with taking an anti China stance, as this has happened elsewhere." This is a classic collective action problem, not some nationalistic thing (though some will believe or pretend it is). Each specific lab wants relatively lax rules and no consequences for failures, but everyone else needs higher standards.