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Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case ?

by mataug 5y ago

monocasa 5y ago
Under what law?
- mataug 5y ago
  Lobbying and political pressure with the result of this case being used as tool ?
  - monocasa 5y ago
    More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US? And NSO's clients too? Not likely.
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US? NSO is already on the Entity List, a part of the U.S. sanctions regime. This has been amply discussed, but TL; DR they lost their friends in Washington.
      - monocasa 5y ago
        Did it affect them?
        JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > Did it affect them? Anecdotally, yes. They lost their U.S. customer base. And bank and securities firms are closing their and their employees' accounts.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > Under what law? NSO used Apple's services, thereby agreeing to U.S. jurisdiction. (It also deals in dollars and has customers in America.) If it ignores U.S. courts, it would be held in contempt at the very least. That enables the Feds to start freezing and confiscating assets, possibly even issuing arrest warrants. That happens domestically first and through treaties second. Given how much bad blood NSO has generated for itself in D.C., it would be more surprising if this didn't get escalated to a diplomatic level.
  - freejazz 5y ago
    "That enables the Feds to start freezing and confiscating assets, possibly even issuing arrest warrants. That happens domestically first and through treaties second." It's a civil case.
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > It's a civil case If you perjure yourself in a civil case, you've committed a crime. Contempt of court is, similarly, a (process) crime.
      - monocasa 5y ago
        It's not a crime to simply not show up. Default judgement that they won't ever pay, and everyone moves on with their lives.
        freejazz 5y ago
        They will have assets in the US that can be attached
        monocasa 5y ago
        How? They're on the entity list.
  - monocasa 5y ago
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case It already has been [1]. [1] https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerce-adds-nso-group-and-other-foreign-companies-entity-list https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerc...

Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case ?

by mataug 5y ago

Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case ?

monocasa 5y ago

Under what law?

mataug 5y ago
Lobbying and political pressure with the result of this case being used as tool ?
- monocasa 5y ago
  More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US? And NSO's clients too? Not likely.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US? NSO is already on the Entity List, a part of the U.S. sanctions regime. This has been amply discussed, but TL; DR they lost their friends in Washington.
    - monocasa 5y ago
      Did it affect them?
      - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > Did it affect them? Anecdotally, yes. They lost their U.S. customer base. And bank and securities firms are closing their and their employees' accounts.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Under what law? NSO used Apple's services, thereby agreeing to U.S. jurisdiction. (It also deals in dollars and has customers in America.) If it ignores U.S. courts, it would be held in contempt at the very least. That enables the Feds to start freezing and confiscating assets, possibly even issuing arrest warrants. That happens domestically first and through treaties second. Given how much bad blood NSO has generated for itself in D.C., it would be more surprising if this didn't get escalated to a diplomatic level.
- freejazz 5y ago
  "That enables the Feds to start freezing and confiscating assets, possibly even issuing arrest warrants. That happens domestically first and through treaties second." It's a civil case.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > It's a civil case If you perjure yourself in a civil case, you've committed a crime. Contempt of court is, similarly, a (process) crime.
    - monocasa 5y ago
      It's not a crime to simply not show up. Default judgement that they won't ever pay, and everyone moves on with their lives.
      - freejazz 5y ago
        They will have assets in the US that can be attached
        monocasa 5y ago
        How? They're on the entity list.
- monocasa 5y ago

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case It already has been [1]. [1] https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerce-adds-nso-group-and-other-foreign-companies-entity-list https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerc...