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The amount of time that Apple sat on this is telling. First reports on NSO activity are from 2016, Facebook filed in 2019, Apple iOS 14.8 fix released in Sept

• reaperducer 5y ago
  Read the New York Times article. It says that Apple was only able to file this suit because of a court ruling in a similar suit by Facebook and because it was given code that showed it how Pegasus works. There is nothing at all "telling" about Apple's timing.
  • rStar 5y ago
    except thats it’s curiously well timed for this news to drop at the beginning of holiday shopping, like an advertisement, or possibly, this is pure marketing. nso and apple are partners. apple leaves holes, nso exploit, said holes.
    • tpush 5y ago
      Conspiratorial nonsense.
      • rStar 5y ago
        unless you understand how tech, business, governments and security services work, then not so much
        • haswell 5y ago
          That's a pretty massive thing to imply without any followup. As someone who understands how tech, business, governments and security services work, care to enlighten the rest of us?
  • udev 5y ago
    I am all for Hanlon's razor. But it reads to me as: Apple legal team has to act because Facebook suit (and the info made public) makes it impossible to say that "Apple was not aware" of such and such details. To me it is much easier to believe the above, compared to your "Apple is only now seeing this info, and only now is aware, and only now can act".
    • freejazz 5y ago
      Look, if you don't know how legal standing works, that's one thing. But to reject the explanation provided to you and to cite your own ignorance as a legitimate source of disbelief while you poo-poo away a dispositive fact isn't reasoning.
      • udev 5y ago
        Apple knows since at least 2016 of NSO activities on their devices and servers, while selling this image of privacy competence. This long period of inaction, from 2016 to now is unacceptable.
        • freejazz 5y ago
          It's as if you don't get the point about legal standing. Apple can only take action now because of a court deciding that Facebook's TOS forum clause is actually binding. If they filed the case prior to such a holding, it'd have been dismissed.
          • salawat 5y ago
            >If they filed the case prior to such a holding, it'd have been dismissed. ...Or when Facebook eventually followed up, you'd be making the excuse Facebook was justified in waiting for Apple to test the waters? Somebody has to move first.
          • spiderice 5y ago
            Sounds to me like GP really WANTS this to be “telling”, when in reality it obviously isn’t.
  • cronix 5y ago
    I think it also didn't hurt for the US Dept. of Commerce to add NSO Group to the Entity List for Malicious Cyber Activities just 2 weeks ago. It certainly doesn't hurt your case for the US Gov't to officially list them. > NSO Group and Candiru (Israel) were added to the Entity List based on evidence that these entities developed and supplied spyware to foreign governments that used these tools to maliciously target government officials, journalists, businesspeople, activists, academics, and embassy workers. These tools have also enabled foreign governments to conduct transnational repression, which is the practice of authoritarian governments targeting dissidents, journalists and activists outside of their sovereign borders to silence dissent. Such practices threaten the rules-based international order. https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerce-adds-nso-group-and-other-foreign-companies-entity-list https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerc...