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It's absolutely insane that people can't see the forest for the trees. The western world has some of the lowest carbon output globally (no "per capita" stats p

It's absolutely insane that people can't see the forest for the trees. The western world has some of the lowest carbon output globally (no "per capita" stats please, we're looking at "% of global carbon output" which makes more sense) compared to manufacturing powerhouses like China. If we want to control carbon output in manufacturing, doesn't it make the most sense to have the manufacturing based at home using domestic products/resources instead of playing this tangled web of (for example): "send raw iron from USA to China to process and then turn into heavy widgets, and then have them sold back to USA?" - Look at all the carbon output just purely _SHIPPING_ the product in it's various stages to other locations. With supply chain shortages, rampant inflation partially due to said supply shortages (along with the rampant "money printing"/quantitative easing the feds have done), resulting in more inflation and higher costs for all goods. Not encouraging or endorsing these views or opinions - but I really think there's going to be a "radical" change in politics - whether it's from the bottom up or the top down, we're going to have a lot more angry people soon and angry people are irrational.

imtringued 5y ago
Have you ever looked at cumulative emissions? USA and Europe have polluted for two centuries while having much smaller populations.
- yonaguska 5y ago
  And so the rest of the world needs to catch up? This makes no sense as a counter to the point that we can produce goods with less of an ecological impact than other countries right now. We can have climate "fairness" or actually reduce emissions, choose one.
- scohesc 5y ago
  This is the same thing as trying to punish or denigrate people for the actions their (likely unrelated!) ancestors have done. Look forward, not backwards.
Aunche 5y ago
> The western world has some of the lowest carbon output globally The EU is making a lot of improvements, but the US, Australia, and Canada are still some of the world's largest emitters. > no "per capita" stats please, we're looking at "% of global carbon output" which makes more sense This is nonsense. By that logic, it would be better if China were replaced with 5000 Qatars. If you don't think population is a good excuse for more greenhouse gas emissions, then you should be praising China because they're the only nation that limited population control.

imtringued 5y ago

Have you ever looked at cumulative emissions? USA and Europe have polluted for two centuries while having much smaller populations.

yonaguska 5y ago
And so the rest of the world needs to catch up? This makes no sense as a counter to the point that we can produce goods with less of an ecological impact than other countries right now. We can have climate "fairness" or actually reduce emissions, choose one.
scohesc 5y ago
This is the same thing as trying to punish or denigrate people for the actions their (likely unrelated!) ancestors have done. Look forward, not backwards.

Aunche 5y ago

> The western world has some of the lowest carbon output globally The EU is making a lot of improvements, but the US, Australia, and Canada are still some of the world's largest emitters. > no "per capita" stats please, we're looking at "% of global carbon output" which makes more sense This is nonsense. By that logic, it would be better if China were replaced with 5000 Qatars. If you don't think population is a good excuse for more greenhouse gas emissions, then you should be praising China because they're the only nation that limited population control.