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Isn't practically everything you see in a fish market flash frozen anyway? Afaik there's very little fresh fish going around, period. It's all frozen on the b

by urthor 5y ago

Isn't practically everything you see in a fish market flash frozen anyway? Afaik there's very little fresh fish going around, period. It's all frozen on the boat.

Stratoscope 5y ago
A friend told me that he never, ever eats frozen fish, but he does enjoy all varieties of sushi and sashimi, and he explained to me that those are never frozen. I tried to convince him otherwise, but never got anywhere. https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-sushi-sashimi-food-safety https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-...
- mejutoco 5y ago
  In some places it is illegal _not_ to freeze the fish for sushi, to avoid anisakis (I don't know how it is enforced, though). source: https://elpais.com/sociedad/2006/12/20/actualidad/1166569202_850215.html https://elpais.com/sociedad/2006/12/20/actualidad/1166569202...
raverbashing 5y ago
We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites (Sure, it's not an issue if you cook it thoroughly before consumption, but still)
- traceroute66 5y ago
  > We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites It depends where you are. If you are in a Western country, then yes, "sashimi grade fish" equals "frozen". If you are in Japan, then no. Its all to do with the understanding of fish and its handling. In the West its all commoditised, quantity over quality. In Japan, they have a deeply rooted fish culture, a focus on quality and are obsessive over food hygiene. So in Japan your sushi won't be pre-frozen, but it will have been meticulously inspected and prepared. Fun fact, salmon sushi/sashimi is a Western thing. The Japanese don't eat it because the parasite risk in Salmon is so much higher than any other fish. Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more.
  - the_af 5y ago
    > Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more. Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical.
    - traceroute66 5y ago
      > Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical. FFS ! Did I ever say I travelled, or that anyone should travel to Japan every time ? No. Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi. The quality of sushi and sahimi in the West is simply so poor compared to Japan I won't waste my money. That is what I am saying. I simply said I do not eat sushi and sashimi. I can fill my Japanese desires with other culinary aspects and save myself for as and when I might visit Japan.
      - the_af 5y ago
        > Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi. Well, yes, some of us have visited Japan and tried their cuisine, both in their own country and in Japanese restaurants in other countries. There are also authentic Japanese sushi bars outside Japan, run by Japanese chefs, and making superb sushi. I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.
  - bluediscussy22 5y ago
    I live in Japan and some of this is a bit wrong. 1. All Tuna is frozen immediately after being caught on the boat - go to tsukiji (well now toyosu) at the tuna market. They are frozen and they taste better because of it. 2. There is no sushi / sashimi grade in Japan. High quality fish that you can eat safely is just the default 3. It's true that traditional sushi did not include salmon because of the parasites. If you go to a traditional sushi restaurant (3 star Michelin etc) you won't find salmon nigiri. Other than that salmon sushi is everywhere at sushi restaurants in Japan and tons of Japanese eat salmon nigiri and sushi.
FishGuy 5y ago
At least in the US, a significant amount of the fish you eat in high end restaurants, sushi restaurants and fish markets is never frozen. It is packed in ice and kept very cold, but not frozen. Supermarkets are more likely to stock frozen/previously frozen. Lots of commodity seafood is frozen when caught. Source: Spent a season offshore fishing for swordfish/tuna. Worked in the warehouses that unloaded and shipped the same. Drove the truck that delivered the fish.
- urthor 5y ago
  Ah, the more you know. Fish guy has spoken I guess. At least for white fish.

by urthor 5y ago

Isn't practically everything you see in a fish market flash frozen anyway? Afaik there's very little fresh fish going around, period. It's all frozen on the boat.

Stratoscope 5y ago

A friend told me that he never, ever eats frozen fish, but he does enjoy all varieties of sushi and sashimi, and he explained to me that those are never frozen. I tried to convince him otherwise, but never got anywhere. https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-sushi-sashimi-food-safety https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-...

mejutoco 5y ago
In some places it is illegal _not_ to freeze the fish for sushi, to avoid anisakis (I don't know how it is enforced, though). source: https://elpais.com/sociedad/2006/12/20/actualidad/1166569202_850215.html https://elpais.com/sociedad/2006/12/20/actualidad/1166569202...

raverbashing 5y ago

We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites (Sure, it's not an issue if you cook it thoroughly before consumption, but still)

traceroute66 5y ago
> We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites It depends where you are. If you are in a Western country, then yes, "sashimi grade fish" equals "frozen". If you are in Japan, then no. Its all to do with the understanding of fish and its handling. In the West its all commoditised, quantity over quality. In Japan, they have a deeply rooted fish culture, a focus on quality and are obsessive over food hygiene. So in Japan your sushi won't be pre-frozen, but it will have been meticulously inspected and prepared. Fun fact, salmon sushi/sashimi is a Western thing. The Japanese don't eat it because the parasite risk in Salmon is so much higher than any other fish. Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more.
- the_af 5y ago
  > Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more. Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical.
  - traceroute66 5y ago
    > Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical. FFS ! Did I ever say I travelled, or that anyone should travel to Japan every time ? No. Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi. The quality of sushi and sahimi in the West is simply so poor compared to Japan I won't waste my money. That is what I am saying. I simply said I do not eat sushi and sashimi. I can fill my Japanese desires with other culinary aspects and save myself for as and when I might visit Japan.
    - the_af 5y ago
      > Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi. Well, yes, some of us have visited Japan and tried their cuisine, both in their own country and in Japanese restaurants in other countries. There are also authentic Japanese sushi bars outside Japan, run by Japanese chefs, and making superb sushi. I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.
- bluediscussy22 5y ago
  I live in Japan and some of this is a bit wrong. 1. All Tuna is frozen immediately after being caught on the boat - go to tsukiji (well now toyosu) at the tuna market. They are frozen and they taste better because of it. 2. There is no sushi / sashimi grade in Japan. High quality fish that you can eat safely is just the default 3. It's true that traditional sushi did not include salmon because of the parasites. If you go to a traditional sushi restaurant (3 star Michelin etc) you won't find salmon nigiri. Other than that salmon sushi is everywhere at sushi restaurants in Japan and tons of Japanese eat salmon nigiri and sushi.

FishGuy 5y ago

At least in the US, a significant amount of the fish you eat in high end restaurants, sushi restaurants and fish markets is never frozen. It is packed in ice and kept very cold, but not frozen. Supermarkets are more likely to stock frozen/previously frozen. Lots of commodity seafood is frozen when caught. Source: Spent a season offshore fishing for swordfish/tuna. Worked in the warehouses that unloaded and shipped the same. Drove the truck that delivered the fish.

urthor 5y ago
Ah, the more you know. Fish guy has spoken I guess. At least for white fish.