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Thanks for taking the time to write this. I have seen well intended standardization efforts that piggy back on another standard and just make a complete mess o

Thanks for taking the time to write this. I have seen well intended standardization efforts that piggy back on another standard and just make a complete mess of things. Basically making them superficially compatible, but in practice actually ad more confusion than if they didn't ride on someone else's coat tails.

rektide 5y ago
still i think any company not doing usb-pd over usb-c is basically actively hostile & malignant. it shouldnt be necessary that companies need regulation to use it. companies should just play nice & do it. it is slightly irksome that usb-if certification is an arbitrary regulator & gate; i like in principle the eu's attempt to usurp control & allow "compatible" alternatives, allow them to not certify. byt in practice companys will take liberty & we'll end up with a bunch of almost compliant Switches, proprietary inaccessible hacks like QuickCharge, or worse just deliberately obstructionist nonsense. i also think there's a certain brilliance though. simply insisting the connector fit, be the same, brings expectations. disobeying the expectation- usb charging not working, usb peripherals not working- invites in erath of consumers. who dares put type-c on a device but fails to become usb-c compliant? we will not forgive this. nintendo loses a lot of face for messing up. rpi barely squeaked a pass when they messed up. oh, and... we're right on the cusp. usb3 is a legacy product, a legacy idea. usb4 is technically way way way better, far more sensible a consumer experience. but it's not really here yet. it's only available in high end/luxury compute right now. if usb4 had arrived in force if device chips were starting to be usb4, if usb4 werent an expensive & good new nervous system but something fully available, i'd be far more of a believer in a standardizable, regulated world. if usb-c & usb-pd are not your company's plan today, it should be in the future & you should declare yourself for it, say how long we have to wait before you do the right thing. usb, remarkably, really is universal. anyone pretending otherwise pretends to be a god of their own universe.
- sitkack 5y ago
  https://youtu.be/Sy7yPwj2fsg?t=355 https://youtu.be/Sy7yPwj2fsg?t=355

rektide 5y ago

still i think any company not doing usb-pd over usb-c is basically actively hostile & malignant. it shouldnt be necessary that companies need regulation to use it. companies should just play nice & do it. it is slightly irksome that usb-if certification is an arbitrary regulator & gate; i like in principle the eu's attempt to usurp control & allow "compatible" alternatives, allow them to not certify. byt in practice companys will take liberty & we'll end up with a bunch of almost compliant Switches, proprietary inaccessible hacks like QuickCharge, or worse just deliberately obstructionist nonsense. i also think there's a certain brilliance though. simply insisting the connector fit, be the same, brings expectations. disobeying the expectation- usb charging not working, usb peripherals not working- invites in erath of consumers. who dares put type-c on a device but fails to become usb-c compliant? we will not forgive this. nintendo loses a lot of face for messing up. rpi barely squeaked a pass when they messed up. oh, and... we're right on the cusp. usb3 is a legacy product, a legacy idea. usb4 is technically way way way better, far more sensible a consumer experience. but it's not really here yet. it's only available in high end/luxury compute right now. if usb4 had arrived in force if device chips were starting to be usb4, if usb4 werent an expensive & good new nervous system but something fully available, i'd be far more of a believer in a standardizable, regulated world. if usb-c & usb-pd are not your company's plan today, it should be in the future & you should declare yourself for it, say how long we have to wait before you do the right thing. usb, remarkably, really is universal. anyone pretending otherwise pretends to be a god of their own universe.

sitkack 5y ago
https://youtu.be/Sy7yPwj2fsg?t=355 https://youtu.be/Sy7yPwj2fsg?t=355