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Sorry but anything related to energy that has a climate impact should not be measured in dollars, but in co2 equivalent. Good luck doing a CO2 summary of lithiu
by jokoon 5y ago
Sorry but anything related to energy that has a climate impact should not be measured in dollars, but in co2 equivalent. Good luck doing a CO2 summary of lithium batteries from start to finish when you look at the whole chain and lifetime.
Not to mention lithium mines are those weird big artificial blue lakes which I really don't understand how they really work. Pretty weird there are no documentary on them.
Even mining Uranium does have a CO2 cost you can hardly avoid.
- belval 5y agoIt's not directly covered in the article but LiFePO4 which are the new popular cells for most things don't require manganese or cobalt so they are much cleaner than older lithium cells. So I can't directly answer your question, but there is no doubt that CO2 production for lithium cell manufacturing is much lower now than it was in 1990 and it should keep dropping as car manufacturer flip to LiFePO4.
- rossdavidh 5y ago"anything related to energy that has a climate impact should not be measured in dollars, but in co2 equivalent..." It depends on what you're trying to do with the data. If you're trying to estimate the economic competitiveness, then $ is absolutely the metric more likely to in fact be a predictor of that. For example, will renewables continue to get market share, or is that in danger of being held back by battery cost? If battery cost is falling exponentially, we're in good shape. If battery cost is _not_ falling exponentially, then it could be that we need to explore alternative ways to store the energy. Whether or not $ _should_ be the driving factor, the reality is that it _is_ the better predictor of market uptake.
- jokoon 5y agoso if coal is cheaper than renewables, does it matter? why are you not measuring the co2 emissions of coal? makes no sense at all.