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This kind of drama is already a defining feature of the Rust community. They can’t go 6 months without some kind of incident like this. It would be a positive

This kind of drama is already a defining feature of the Rust community. They can’t go 6 months without some kind of incident like this. It would be a positive if they could have a BDFL or corporate sponsorship to structure the community going forward because it doesn’t seem like the current community approach really works in practice. I realize that’s probably not possible at this point though.. unless maybe Microsoft steps in. Disclosure: I am an outside observer, and I find Rust to be excessively syntax dense. Take my opinion with a grain of salt.

smarnach 5y ago
I don't think the Rust community is particularly prone to public drama. What other events are you thinking of?
- politician 5y ago
  Recently? Linux, Amazon, “turbofish”. Between Oct 2018 and Oct 2021... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1635638400&dateRange=custom&dateStart=1540944000&page=0&prefix=false&query=Rust%20drama&sort=byDate&type=all https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1635638400&dateRange=custom&...
  - belval 5y ago
    Honestly I don't think this proves anything, change "Rust" for "Python", "Java", "C++" or even "Javascript" and you will get a similar number of results with Python being actually higher than Rust.
    - politician 5y ago
      It’s not the number of search results, but the frequency of events. Admittedly, there isn’t anyone aggregating events and I only looked for the most recent 3 before stopping. I’m sure there’s some insider who’s better positioned to tell the history of the language and the community.
    - twic 5y ago
      I tried Java. Most of the hits are on sentences like "slowed down dramatically", "changed dramatically", and "latency shifts dramatically under load". There are also: "So, upon hearing that the .net foundation is spending all of its time generating stacks of bureaucracy and causing internal drama" "Oracle provides RHEL build and it's pretty good. No CentOS drama, it's free and just works." "I'd be surprised if you found any dramas with the language." There's no actual drama. Until page 4, when i find: "Completely a drama" In an article about Rust.
    - ksec 5y ago
      I dont remember any drama on Python, Java, C++ or JS on HN. But I remember a lot of drama on Ruby and Rust.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    You searched "Rust" and "Drama", this is not exactly compelling. First comment is referring to something that happened years ago. Second comment isn't about Rust at all. Third post is about Steve not liking something that came out of Amazon. Reading on it appears to be more references to Actix, Amazon, totally unrelated/ irrelevant results, etc.
    - politician 5y ago
      No kidding. It’s not a curated dataset, obviously. I looked through a few pages and filtered out the most recent few actual dramas: 1) Rust in the Linux kernel 2) Amazon MUST NOT define Rust 3) Turbofish issue So, yeah, you have to do a bit more work to pull events from Algolia. It’s better than a feeling though and it’s real timestamped data. It’s not Google or Wikipedia though- the most relevant results aren’t just on page 1.
      - staticassertion 5y ago
        I don't think it's better than a feeling? Like, just a quick scan shows the same few things or totally unrelated content.
staticassertion 5y ago
Having been a part of the community since a bit before 1.0, no this does not happen every 6 months.
- politician 5y ago
  I posted a link to Algolia’s full-text search index below.
raxxorrax 5y ago
> unless maybe Microsoft steps in. I believe that would very quickly kill the community. Corporate MS cannot be patron here. You will never find me in a development community that puts compliance over people. I accept that in my job because it makes sense there and is necessary. But there are current sensibilities about conduct I do not share and I am not ready to keep up with the newest etiquette to be honest. I think moderators should go against obvious trolls and spammers, but aren't fit to mediate in conflicts. HN has a strong moderation, but I think these are rules that the community accepts because everyone profits. It could just be a power grab by some mods that feel neglected, at least that is what they seem to display here.

smarnach 5y ago

I don't think the Rust community is particularly prone to public drama. What other events are you thinking of?

politician 5y ago
Recently? Linux, Amazon, “turbofish”. Between Oct 2018 and Oct 2021... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1635638400&dateRange=custom&dateStart=1540944000&page=0&prefix=false&query=Rust%20drama&sort=byDate&type=all https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1635638400&dateRange=custom&...
- belval 5y ago
  Honestly I don't think this proves anything, change "Rust" for "Python", "Java", "C++" or even "Javascript" and you will get a similar number of results with Python being actually higher than Rust.
  - politician 5y ago
    It’s not the number of search results, but the frequency of events. Admittedly, there isn’t anyone aggregating events and I only looked for the most recent 3 before stopping. I’m sure there’s some insider who’s better positioned to tell the history of the language and the community.
  - twic 5y ago
    I tried Java. Most of the hits are on sentences like "slowed down dramatically", "changed dramatically", and "latency shifts dramatically under load". There are also: "So, upon hearing that the .net foundation is spending all of its time generating stacks of bureaucracy and causing internal drama" "Oracle provides RHEL build and it's pretty good. No CentOS drama, it's free and just works." "I'd be surprised if you found any dramas with the language." There's no actual drama. Until page 4, when i find: "Completely a drama" In an article about Rust.
  - ksec 5y ago
    I dont remember any drama on Python, Java, C++ or JS on HN. But I remember a lot of drama on Ruby and Rust.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  You searched "Rust" and "Drama", this is not exactly compelling. First comment is referring to something that happened years ago. Second comment isn't about Rust at all. Third post is about Steve not liking something that came out of Amazon. Reading on it appears to be more references to Actix, Amazon, totally unrelated/ irrelevant results, etc.
  - politician 5y ago
    No kidding. It’s not a curated dataset, obviously. I looked through a few pages and filtered out the most recent few actual dramas: 1) Rust in the Linux kernel 2) Amazon MUST NOT define Rust 3) Turbofish issue So, yeah, you have to do a bit more work to pull events from Algolia. It’s better than a feeling though and it’s real timestamped data. It’s not Google or Wikipedia though- the most relevant results aren’t just on page 1.
    - staticassertion 5y ago
      I don't think it's better than a feeling? Like, just a quick scan shows the same few things or totally unrelated content.

staticassertion 5y ago

Having been a part of the community since a bit before 1.0, no this does not happen every 6 months.

politician 5y ago
I posted a link to Algolia’s full-text search index below.

raxxorrax 5y ago

> unless maybe Microsoft steps in. I believe that would very quickly kill the community. Corporate MS cannot be patron here. You will never find me in a development community that puts compliance over people. I accept that in my job because it makes sense there and is necessary. But there are current sensibilities about conduct I do not share and I am not ready to keep up with the newest etiquette to be honest. I think moderators should go against obvious trolls and spammers, but aren't fit to mediate in conflicts. HN has a strong moderation, but I think these are rules that the community accepts because everyone profits. It could just be a power grab by some mods that feel neglected, at least that is what they seem to display here.