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Things are happening behind closed doors in Rust's leadership. First there was a post from Steve Klabnik, a member from the Core team, about how Amazon is takin

by Zababa 5y ago

Things are happening behind closed doors in Rust's leadership. First there was a post from Steve Klabnik, a member from the Core team, about how Amazon is taking too much power in the Rust leadership (discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130). Then that post, that seems against the Core team. I would appreciate some transparency and clarity about what's happening. Lots of people are currently wonder about whether or not to invest in Rust, me included. Stuff like that is a clear negative signal for me.

GrayShade 5y ago
See the discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306.
- Zababa 5y ago
  I did see it, however it seems to be just speculation about what is happening. I don't want to base all my opinion on that. Some of these are rather heavy accusations, like the nepotism between Steve Klabnik and Ashley Williams, or that Steve Klabnik smeared Amazon because they didn't give Ashley Williams a job. I don't want to give them weight when the only source seems to be a pseudonymous post.
  - GrayShade 5y ago
    The poster there actually worked on the Rust project and did more than Ashley Williams, at least on the technical side. I even noticed their "absence" (or lower involvement) earlier this year and was wondering if they're okay. As for Steve's rant [1], it was weirdly guided against the "Rustacean principles" (which are totally harmless [2]), but happened right after Ashley's interim director contract was not extended. Actually, on the HN post back then, Steve complained more about how Amazon didn't give her the job, than anything else. But yes, you're right, this is just speculation. [1]: https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/1437441118745071617 https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/1437441118745071617 [2]: https://rustacean-principles.netlify.app/how_rust_empowers.html https://rustacean-principles.netlify.app/how_rust_empowers.h...
    - nabakin 5y ago
      > Actually, on the HN post back then, Steve complained more about how Amazon didn't give her the job, than anything else. Where did Steve mention Ashley not getting a job at Amazon? I remember reading through that thread but I don't remember Steve mentioning that. Today is the first I'm hearing of it.
      - GrayShade 5y ago
        They did not extend her (interim) contract as Foundation chair. It's not "she didn't get a job", but rather "she didn't get the job she wanted".
        nabakin 5y ago
        So Steve was saying that Amazon is responsible for not letting Ashley remain interim chair? I don't remember him saying that either.
        GrayShade 5y ago
        I'm not sure (nor do I care) by what mechanism, but yes: https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/1437441662998007809 https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/1437441662998007809 I also seem to have confused the executive director and chair positions. She was the ED.
        deleted 5y ago
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        nabakin 5y ago
        Oh I see. Thanks for the clarification!

by Zababa 5y ago

GrayShade 5y ago

See the discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306.

Zababa 5y ago
I did see it, however it seems to be just speculation about what is happening. I don't want to base all my opinion on that. Some of these are rather heavy accusations, like the nepotism between Steve Klabnik and Ashley Williams, or that Steve Klabnik smeared Amazon because they didn't give Ashley Williams a job. I don't want to give them weight when the only source seems to be a pseudonymous post.
- GrayShade 5y ago
  The poster there actually worked on the Rust project and did more than Ashley Williams, at least on the technical side. I even noticed their "absence" (or lower involvement) earlier this year and was wondering if they're okay. As for Steve's rant [1], it was weirdly guided against the "Rustacean principles" (which are totally harmless [2]), but happened right after Ashley's interim director contract was not extended. Actually, on the HN post back then, Steve complained more about how Amazon didn't give her the job, than anything else. But yes, you're right, this is just speculation. [1]: https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/1437441118745071617 https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/1437441118745071617 [2]: https://rustacean-principles.netlify.app/how_rust_empowers.html https://rustacean-principles.netlify.app/how_rust_empowers.h...
  - nabakin 5y ago
    > Actually, on the HN post back then, Steve complained more about how Amazon didn't give her the job, than anything else. Where did Steve mention Ashley not getting a job at Amazon? I remember reading through that thread but I don't remember Steve mentioning that. Today is the first I'm hearing of it.
    - GrayShade 5y ago
      They did not extend her (interim) contract as Foundation chair. It's not "she didn't get a job", but rather "she didn't get the job she wanted".
      - nabakin 5y ago
        So Steve was saying that Amazon is responsible for not letting Ashley remain interim chair? I don't remember him saying that either.
        GrayShade 5y ago
        I'm not sure (nor do I care) by what mechanism, but yes: https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/1437441662998007809 https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/1437441662998007809 I also seem to have confused the executive director and chair positions. She was the ED.
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        nabakin 5y ago
        Oh I see. Thanks for the clarification!