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What does this mean in practice? By this definition, surely normal farm animals are sentient, but they are eaten, experimented on and frightfully frequently abu
by rich_sasha 5y ago
What does this mean in practice? By this definition, surely normal farm animals are sentient, but they are eaten, experimented on and frightfully frequently abused, so... what’s the change?
- eterm 5y agoOne significant change is that the practice of boiling live lobsters is now illegal.
- rich_sasha 5y agoInteresting, and good for them. What about crabs I wonder? IIUC coup de grace js fairly straightforward for a lobster but not so for a crab.
- wiz21c 5y agothe issue is that killing lobster without boiling them is not clear cut either. The animal happens to have numerous brains all over its body, so when is it actually dead ?
- GordonS 5y agoI like to eat crab and lobster, but I never understood how anyone could boil one of them alive - even if it hasn't (or hadn't) been 100% proven they can feel pain, it seems such a horrible, horrible thing to do! I'm not any kind of animal rights activist, but it makes me feel upset just thinking about it :shudder:
- rich_sasha 5y agoThe theory I hear from people who do it is that the animals die instantly in thermal shock. Would be great if someone in the know could comment; I'm certainly not endorsing this view!
- joaosardinha 5y agoMy family does this, I remember watching them try to crawl out of the pot for the first few minutes so it's not true
- Silasdev 5y agoJust picturing that makes me feel terrible
- Dylan16807 5y agoWas the water boiling when they were put in?
- karolist 5y agoI was around as a kid when my aunt boiled some crayfish alive. The way they run in the pot and the sound they make still haunts me to this day whenever I see these little animals. I don't need science to tell me if something feels pain or not when being boiled alive...
- phonypc 5y agoThe sound is expanding gas escaping their shell. They don't have lungs or vocal cords.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoI have boiled a lot of lobster and crab live. In my experience, they stop twitching in 5 seconds or so. I find this method faster more humane than chopping through their carapace and rooting around their head with a knife looking to scramble their brain while they struggle. The latter is not a task I expect many home cooks to be good at. They key is to have the water at a rolling boil and have enough volume that it doesn't cool when you add a 2 lb lobster head first. I suspect a lot of the horror stories are from people who added lobster to a pot with too little water.
- guilhas 5y agoIt mean they'll soon be running for parliament
- LightG 5y agoI for one ... welcome the upgrade.
- mping 5y agoIIUC it means they should at least be killed in a more "humane" way, instead of being boiled alive.
- lelanthran 5y agoWe aren't needlessly torturing them? Seriously, you cannot see the difference between a person who delivers a single killing blow and then eats the animal and one who watches it boil to death over 20m or so? "Getting joy from inflicting pain" is very different to "killing for food".
- ArchD 5y agoLobsters & crabs are risky to eat unless they are very fresh (i.e. they have not been dead for too long). If you buy a dead lobster and then cook it, you have much less assurance about when it died hence the freshness than with a live lobster. If you buy a live lobster, how are you going to practically kill it before boiling it? Try to penetrate the hard shell to impale the brain using a layperson's skills and equipment and risk slicing off a digit?
- Chris2048 5y agoI would have though chopping off the head would do it?
- mdorazio 5y agoHave you tried to chop off a lobster’s head yourself? It’s a lot harder than you seem to think.
- Eelongate 5y agoBut the head and guts is the best part.
- bufferoverflow 5y agoHe isn't proposing to throw them away, just to chop it, near-instant death.
- francisofascii 5y ago>> Lobsters & crabs are risky to eat unless they are very fresh Maybe another good reason to...not eat them as much.
- sigzero 5y agoProbably "not much".